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What happens if 40 million Ukrainians pack their bags and go to Europe?

There is no longer 40 million in Ukraine :) But many never left to date being close to the front line so I am not sure why would the whole population suddenly take off.

If Ukraine fails they will flee, mainly to Europe.

and

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-21/poland-says-it-s-still-supplying-ukraine-with-weapons

Seems like the tensions between Poland and Ukraine are beginning to soften a bit. Hopefully it was all overblown. In the same way that time news were reporting that Ben Wallace had said Ukraine weren't being grateful enough.

And who will fund these eastern states? Before they become some kind of powerhouse they can start by becoming a net contributor to eu funds.

This is something Poland needs to figure out if they think they are going to be the top dog in Europe, they need to up their own contributions to Europe they don't pay much more than us for a population almost 10x our population and that's before we look at the rest of the Baltic

I'm confused with this comment. All 3 Baltic states together is only slightly bigger population than Ireland. And decreasing. Baltics is a buffer zone, they never expressed or shown any hints of being any sort of top dog.

Personally i think this is a move from Poland to put the sh its up the rest of the western world in terms of backing for Ukraine. Nations are still dragging their heels and not doing enough in terms of military or financial support. This could have all been over months ago if we'd given Ukraine everything they asked for and more. Poland have probably had enough of the politics and are more than likely itching for a wayward Russian missile to strike and kill inside their borders so they can be let off the leash.

Certainly Poland can be considered a "top dog" in the struggle against Russian expansonism. They will likely be the first to suffer directly with their lives if push comes to shove.

This war is in large part about supporting those in the first lines with our cash.Not a huge ask for the wealthiest countries on the planet.

There's is no bill to foot,

The EU isn't there to fund military conflicts regardless of who and where it starts , that's like Germany saying we should get the lions share because if ww3 brakes out we will be nuked and others won't, as it stands the EU is massively funding Ukraine and the war effort and Ukrainian economy and likely we will be footing the rebuilding cost ,but yet Ukraine are not an EU state ,so should they get a big say in the EU and NATO

Yeah but when polls show that less than half of slovakians and Lithuanians think western democracy is good for their country and Hungary(need I say more) maybe they’re just not compatible with the EU. Hungary for example has caused plenty of problems for the EU from within it.

Idk what the solution is but if a country isn’t compatible within the EU and takes the piss while receiving billions for that membership at what point do you tell them to just F off?

Would you have any links???

Can't talk for slovakians, but its hard to believe that only less than half of lithuanians support western democracy.

Unless results were:

Yes-47%

No-10%

Not sure/idk-43%

Edit: found that article, says fck all.

1000 people asked, says nothing about their age, location. Theres a lot of russians living in Lithuania compared to other baltic states, who still dont speak Lithuanian and watch only russian "real" news. And still a lot of people over 50/60 think that it was a lot better in USSR.

The EU will face consequences from any military /political defeat of Ukraine.

It is our interests that this does not happen .We must invest in our futures.

Ukraine is as European as we are in real terms (a better ally than Hungary it seems at the moment)

Agree. Very doubtful myself on this re Lithuania. It sounds like stats guy stopped 4 person group on streets of Lithuania to ask the question and it happened to be the group of local vatniks.

As you can imagine the stats are nuanced. The figures that .Donegal. is referring to probably stem from a survey from a reputable Slovak research organisation from earlier this year. Respondents in all east European countries were overwhelmingly in favour of democracy. When participants were asked separately about their support for "liberal democracy" (without context) the picture was more mixed. This is in large part due to Russian covert efforts to denigrate "liberalism" through support for populist parties throughout Europe and to undermine western democracies that are perceived to have liberal policies on immigration, LGBT rights, freedom of speech, freedom to demonstrate etc.