Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Its very unlikely such a decision on Ukraine will be the only issue they are out of step with rest of EU on / will be honouring their responsibilities.

A major obstacle will be if there are more than 1 bad faith 'actor' ... each of which could veto action against the other.

We are only in this position precisely because the countries individually rallied and supplies f***tons of military aid to Ukraine. If the Orbans and Trumps of world had their way Ukraine would have received nothing and been rolled over. Then we'd be looking a scenario where Putin may indeed have thought that NATO simply wouldn't act.

It's Poland whom are opposing the expulsion provision from Artcle 7. ANd obviously Hungary. What you're saying makes no sense, its the opposite. If Poland went along with this article then Hungary would be gone and the bloc would be united. Free from the Russian cuckoo that is Hungary.

There were only recently reports of putin's suicide drones landing in Romania near grain shipment facilities the moskovytes were targeting so I have very little faith in your predictions.

Not sure what your assurances given to moderators were to get your thread ban lifted but your lazy repetition of your opinions as facts mean I will be avoiding the thread going forward anyway.

So TTT, you have no problem if another country levelled a significant part of your country, bombed the sh-t out of it razed to the last building. A lot of villages , hamlets, bombed infrastructure , kidnapped and raped at will, etc, etc, etc, etc

and you would have no problem in some countries supporting all of this and in this case Russia has a right to do what it is doing.

And you would have no problem in your country continuing on doing business , etc, etc with such countries supporting Russia as if nothing of any significance is going on - when in actual fact there is something PROFOUNDLY IMORRIALLY WRONG by any persons measure going on

Nobody would be gone from the block they would lose voting rights for a period but not expelled from the bloc ,

Article 7 of the Treaty on European Union allows for the possibility of suspending European Union (EU) membership rights (such as voting rights in the Council of the European Union) if a country seriously and persistently breaches the principles on which the EU is founded as defined in Article 2 of the Treaty on European Union (respect for human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for fundamental rights, including the rights of persons belonging to minorities). Nevertheless, that country’s membership obligations remain binding.

In accordance with Article 7, on the proposal of one third of EU Member States, or of the European Parliament or of the European Commission, the Council, acting by a majority of four fifths of its members, having obtained the Parliament’s consent, may determine that there is a clear risk of a serious breach of these fundamental principles by a Member State, and address appropriate recommendations to it.

"Article 354 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union lays down the voting procedures to be used by the main EU institutions when a Member State faces the application of Article 7. The country in question does not take part in the vote. It is not included in the calculation of the one third of countries required for the proposal or the four fifths required for the majority. Parliament’s consent requires a two-thirds majority"

Then we will get the discussions should states be suspended for not agreeing on something happening with or in non EU state,

The same Poland who has massively invested in defence and military industry and has publicly Said they expect to have a direct conflict with Russia in a few years , I don't think Russia Will be spinning it as some kind of victory, Russia who's struggles with an army that didn't exist a few years ago, imagine what happens when Poland decides it's payback time ,

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Perhaps but the grain issue is massive for the people affected. Expecting Eastern bloc tillage farmers to accept the collapse of local grain prices while globally it's never been dearer is something that'll never work no matter how much solidarity there is from a moral perspective regarding the war.

Bulgarian farmers are seriously p1ssed too after their minister for Ag called farmer protestors terrorists/terrorist sympathisers due to their views on Ukrainian grain.

The EU should really be stepping in to put an emergency floor in local grain price markets to ensure EU tillage farmers located on the Ukrainian border can stay profitable.

Allowing EU and global merchants buy Ukrainian grain at below cost and then selling it for truly massive profits isn't going to help the global grain crisis and it won't do a thing to alleviate the long-term threat of famine in some African countries if anything it'll prolong/heighten issues.

It's also not great for Ukraine either. Sure it's better than leaving it to rot but not by a whole pile.

Grain has been a massive issue before the war and has been for decades.

Doesn't matter what government is in power the issue will still be there.

Before the start of the war Ukraine pull the licence for the transport of goods by rail from Poland and EU because Poland at the time stated to inforce restrictions on the important of grain from Ukraine restrictions issued by the EU.

Tit for tat has been going on over grain but doesn't main the headlines normally.

Poland confirms no more weapons to Ukraine, instead will focus on defending itself.

So we keep the same rules/attitudes / regulations etc,etc,etc,etc as we have had from time aaaaaaaaway back without ever REVIEWING THEM- and we class ourselves as becoming even more civilised /‘progressive as time marches on .

Just because some country did something wrong to another country in the past does not therefor make it ok for any other country to repeat the same.

Hashtag both sides.

On Poland they have been exceptionally generous and need to ensure that their own defense is ready for exceptionally hostile countries nearby. I think the grain thing is overblown and just a bit of a political football. Poland is aware that stopping Russia in Ukraine is the best way to keep war away from it's own borders in the future.

All this is also damaging to Zelenskiy's popularity inside his own country. He lost support in the West of Ukraine long before the war and now after the announcement from Poland FB is flooded with posts from Ukrainians saying more or less that he is an idiot and Poland, please forgive us. If elections are to take place next year, Ukraine will have a new president. Ukrainians aren't into habit of voting for the same person more than once as it is (only Kuchma managed to get voted in more than once back in the 90s) so I really don't understand his tweets and making this grain issue as public as possible instead of trying to sort it behind closed doors which is what Duda would have preferred according to his interview to Bloomberg.