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Dublin dail protests - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Of course like how you had relatives claiming the Burkes are well respected in Mayo, and how an elderly neighbour is "terrified" about immigration.

    Always the finger on the fringe pulse of the population!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,688 ✭✭✭Field east


    The real protest can be 100% exercised at local, national , by-election and EU election time. If one does not like the sitting government or /and a sitting TD then you can help to OUT them . You can contribute to this objective by :-

    (1) canvassing for an individual that best matches your political, etc, objectives

    (2) encourage an individual you know to put herself/himself forward as a canditate

    (3) put yourself forward for election



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,876 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    not commenting on off topic subjects but feel free to ignore my posts if you have an issue with them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭Ashbourne hoop


    And hopefully that number rises after a review of video footage. TDs, no matter what you think of them, being chased by absolute scumbags is not how democracy works. If the Gardai had not been there we could well have had a Jo Cox situation. Everybody know who the main players are in these protests. It's the same dopes who protested outside hospitals, vaccination centres, TD homes, libraries and now the Dail. They were treated with kid gloves by the gardai who have now decided to act, not before time to be honest.

    These people just copy American politics tactics, the gallows with TD pics was straight out of their playbook. But everyone else are the "sheeple"...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,099 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    It wasn't about anything. Its a load of long term unemployed facebook addicted scumbags with bags of cans out for the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,491 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Why is it that the likes of these "Ireland for the Irish" types (often sporting their Celtic or English soccer jerseys) never actually do anything productive or add anything to the country?


    The right to travel unimpeded to and from the Houses of the Oireachtas is enshrined in the Constitution for a reason. It is expressed in terms of being arrested, but it is there for a reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Hey just saying how its so valuble to have someone like you who is so well connected to the public on every topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,113 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Why are you trying to excuse violence, intimidation and calls for murder?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,099 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Like an unemployed thicko convention. Absolute dregs of society.

    Losers do what losers do, blame someone else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,876 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Ok, thanks for that PJ.

    Yes, It’s one of the few perks of my job that I get to talk to everyone and anyone throughout each working day.

    This on top of my voluntary work with the GAA and other groups I’m involved in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,688 ✭✭✭Field east


    One of the things that are for most in individuals/ organisations minds when they want to attract attention to their cause is to come up with some strategy that it will be noticed by as wide a group as is posssible. To the more noise one makes the more threatening the language used the better, the more placards the better, the more damage caused , including egg/ /fasces throwing the better, the more notice will be taken of you and you will increase the prospects of making the 6 o’clock news. Quiet often the POWER to make the news can be the main / sole objective.

    A’QUIET WORD with RTE from one of the protesters before start - off could have RTE down there like a ‘shot’. For RTE, not only is it just around the corner but it is very cheep TV and a great filler for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,073 ✭✭✭✭event


    Where was this poll done? What were the demographics of the participants?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Not one person I work with has today said anything of the sort and it has been discussed at length.

    Violence and threatening behaviour is disgusting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,876 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Would suggest you Get out and talk to the general public - you will hear many surprising views on society and politicians.

    Certainly very different views than the Irish times or journal editor would have us believe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Of course not.

    Only in fantasy is tripe like that happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,688 ✭✭✭Field east


    All the more reason why the RTE cameraman should have slowly panned the attendance over and back a few times. That would put an end to faking going sick , for Jonny telling his mother that he is going to the gym, etc, etc, etc, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    All elements of protest you're willing to condone when the topic is one you agree with though (See your support of the abuse leveled at a public talk this weekend by trans activists).

    These type of gatherings, which are a kind of nebulous collection of the vaguely disenfranchised, to the foaming at the mouth types brought out by the very real injustices of modern Irish society are in turn informed by the type of action taken by groups such as those mentioned above.

    Once society reaches a place where shouting down anyone you disagree with, you can't claim to be shocked when these type of gatherings occur and poor behaviour ends up erupting at them as they're being informed by the other protests and disappointing behaviour they observe carried out by others, which you are in favour of when the protest in question is something you agree with.

    There's a worrying slide towards intolerance and a lack of empathy for anyone holding a contrasting opinion in his country and we've gotten to this point by aping what we see in other countries like mindless idiots.

    So if yore going to stoke the fires of intolerance of differing opinions, could you please spare the rest of us the pearl clutching when there's a group of people you don't agree with acting stupidly on our streets?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭pjordan


    The whole thing stood out for it's ambiguety. I wondered whether this was that the sinister element involved in these protests was also suggested to behind many of the protests at the refugee centres and at politicians homes (and probably embrace the online, fascist, conspiracy lunacy of the Gemma O'Doherty fringe) so that there was a collective decision by the media not to give them any further publicity or oxygen than absolutely necessary.

    But also these is the possibility that the fact that the main stream media, as well as TD's of all hues and staff of Leinster House were all targeted by this mob under an anti-establishment guise, may have prevented or handicapped the media in the extent of its coverage (although I defer in this context to the perseverance and capability of the hard nosed press corp attached to Leinster House in their ability to do their job)

    Either way there is a lot of reading between the line as to exactly what element were involved, without it being specifically spelt out, beyond the use of phrases like "thugs" and "mob"

    One thing that did occur to me, even though I only caught the end of his Morning Ireland interview, was the typical thick bull headed stubborn attitude of Michael Healy Rae, to effectively dive into and further incite the howling mob, just to perpetuate his carefully cultured image of a "man of the people" working for his constituents and for the country, in spite of all the challenges and naysayers against him. It was all good and well for him as an individual to take such a selfish decision but did he give any consideration to the gardai escort that had to protect him against the inflamed mob (His incitement doesn't help when he goes on the radio afterwards and suggests rightly or wrongy that the protesters need to get jobs or go out and do an honest days work), or more significantly to the 20 year old intern, apparently fresh of the plane from the US who obviously felt compelled to follow him and had her mobile phone stolen for her trouble.

    Finally, my final though on the whole matter, whilst I in no way condone the manner or the thrust of yesterdays protests (and yes if they do believe in democracy let them put forwards some election candidates and see how much real support they have), is that perhaps it is time that the hallowed insulated halls of the sanctuary that is Leinster House had some indication of the anger that is abroad there amongst a considerable swathe of the population (not that yesterdays protesters by any means are representive of that anger) about a whole variety of issues from health to housing to agriculture to uncontrolled cost of living increases. There was something almost comic in the indignation of the politicians in being assailed or confronted by the filthy protesting peasants when they were busy trying to run the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,662 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Great "patriots", using the flag as clothing and dragging it along the street 🙄





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I'm not making accuses for anyone, but the reality is if things get out of hand, thats what the public order unit is for. We're a very sheltered nation, a few people shouting abuse and mouthing off. People getting in panic and the media loosing the run of themselves. Only looking to compare it to the capital hill riots. Look at the protests in other European countries and see how lucky and peaceful we have it here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,715 ✭✭✭yagan


    I think anyone from the main media sources would have been a target for abuse.

    One the boomer phrase there is actually some correlation as the peak in the 15-25 cohort happened in 1970 in the US, and in Ireland around 1990; so we we have a lot of angry frustrated middle aged people looking for a punch bag.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    8th December is not a day off & I have never gone shopping on the 8th, nor do I know anybody that has, for the vast majority of this country that is also just another day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,876 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    People have a right to protest (legally), however awkward that may be for certain sections of society.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,876 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Great post.

    There needs to be balance.

    Protests are non negotiable in society.

    Constitutional right

    They should be policed according to the law.

    Politicians cannot run away and hide in a bubble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,361 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Totally agree.

    I worked in the department of education for a while, plenty of peaceful protests outside in that time. Scumbags involved just look at the pictures of the people involved (the usual muppets) and the video of Michael Healy Rae.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,710 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    So you don't realise we have black friday sales too?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Why were they calling Healy Rae a traitor?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Tbf these protests attract professional English protestors to "fight" as a paytriot of Ireland.

    And her work suit was at the dry cleaners.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    You ignored the part where they stated black Friday takes place in a public holiday in the United States (day after thanksgiving).

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,715 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,659 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    They are not pissed off voters, they don't seem to to know whst they are protesting about a mix of anti vax, anti immigration. anti sex education in schools, anti transgender.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,715 ✭✭✭yagan


    Was that a newstalk poll? Newstalk is the tabloid of the airwaves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Why would the demographics matter? You’re not being a classist now are you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,211 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Rent a mob protest it all seems far too organised people accosting a small number of politicians and a mention of the very tragic situation of Jo Cox but not really anything of January 6th in the US or similar attacks on political institutions the mass mobilisation of Garda on any other return day for The Dail probably wouldn't be as large but there would be a presence as so many TD and Senators being in the Chambers and grounds doesn't happen more than a few times a term or even the year.


    Tldr: Mountains out of Molehills with opportunistic words by small time politicians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,546 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    People are making money going to other countries to protest?

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    They seemed to be calling everybody "traitor" to be honest.

    The gallows they brought along had pretty much everybody represented on it - Photos of every party leader along with people like Paul Murphy and Brid Smith , so every elected politician is bad in their minds.

    I found it amusing that there were multiple banners promoting the "Centre Right National Party" , which is an oxymoron at the very least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,659 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    No it's not and it's extremely disrespectfull to any actual pissed off voters to link them to those protesters.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,777 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    They always matter. The demographics of the poll respondents needs to match the demographics of the country as a whole or else the results need to be weighted before they can be considered representative of public opinion at large



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,283 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Nobody is disagreeing with you but this wasn’t a protest. It was a bunch of morons and thugs harassing and abusing people trying to go to work. Journalists and interns had bottles of piss thrown at them. Micheal Healy Rae received death threats and a 20 year old intern of his was mugged and had her phone stolen.

    Do you consider that acceptable behaviour?

    All of this is reported on RTE website this morning. The Gardaí are asleep here. They need to get the batons out and do their jobs before we end up with a Jo Cox situation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭Jackiebt


    Probably something to do with him profiting from the refugee crisis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,900 ✭✭✭thomas 123


    Right, then what you want is a detailed survey not a radio poll… this is exactly what jinglejangle shared, a clearly labeled poll.

    Surveys will have less people taking the time to fill them in hence why most “opinion polls” are polls and not surveys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,715 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Why are people calling others traitors these days.

    I seen Panti Bliss used the phrase on twitter.

    Such divisive language.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭prunudo


    They're still pissed off and there are many others who are pissed off too. But again, these protests that flair up are great for the government, because it puts normal folk off going into other protests for fear of getting caught up in something and keeps the optics of dissent away from the screens.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭pjordan


    Would you care to expand on that? It is well known that there is a veritable Healy Rae industry in Kerry with their national and local political representation conveniently combined with and complimenting their economic interests in plant hire, local authority contracting, publicans, retailing/postmasters and property development/landlords, but do you have specific information about what you allude to?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,454 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Traditionally it was a big shopping day, when I was young in the 80s it was big

    It was also a Holy day so schools had it off, that's not the case anymore.

    But that takes nothing away from my point that Black Friday is not a thing in Ireland and should never be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,777 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    "Poll" is the term used for property conducted opinion polls. Radio phone-ins or other exercises where the respondents are self-selected and not stratified would not normally be considered polls, precisely because the demographics matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,659 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    It's a conspiracy to keep other protesters away? That sounds plausible we live in a democracy if anyone doesn't like the present government party vote for someone else the next time.

    Post edited by mariaalice on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,876 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    As for the American intern - of course I condemn the phone being stolen. Hopefully that can be resolved.

    I don’t know the circumstances of how she ended up working for Healy Rae, was she “assigned” at random or she specifically chose to work with him?

    If she was “assigned” to him I would strongly advise her to ask for a transfer out of his office, as yesterday showed, he is nothing but trouble, a loud mouth attention seeker.



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