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Dublin dail protests - read OP before posting

Field east

Did RTE have a hidden agenda /‘skin in the game’ when it covered the protest yesterday outside the first day of the dail. Why ask? . Because on it’s 9 o’clock news it showed just a very brief flash across the various placards and the general attendance/ placard holders. So it was impossible to see what groups were protesting, what were they protesting about and to get a good look at the placard holders and their supporters.

After all ,the above information was in the public domain and was of public interest - and especially because (as per RTE reporter) it was more sinister / more intimidating / more aggressive than Dail protests to date.

maybe it’s due to the cut backs to expenditure in its photography department???????

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Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137052#Comment_121137052

One of the things that are for most in individuals/ organisations minds when they want to attract attention to their cause is to come up with some strategy that it will be noticed by as wide a group as is posssible. To the more noise one makes the more threatening the language used the better, the more placards the better, the more damage caused , including egg/ /fasces throwing the better, the more notice will be taken of you and you will increase the prospects of making the 6 o’clock news. Quiet often the POWER to make the news can be the main / sole objective.

A’QUIET WORD with RTE from one of the protesters before start - off could have RTE down there like a ‘shot’. For RTE, not only is it just around the corner but it is very cheep TV and a great filler for it

event

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137125#Comment_121137125

Where was this poll done? What were the demographics of the participants?

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137146#Comment_121137146

Not one person I work with has today said anything of the sort and it has been discussed at length.

Violence and threatening behaviour is disgusting.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137204#Comment_121137204

All the groups.

Beechwoodspark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137209#Comment_121137209

Would suggest you Get out and talk to the general public - you will hear many surprising views on society and politicians.

Certainly very different views than the Irish times or journal editor would have us believe.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137209#Comment_121137209

Of course not.

Only in fantasy is tripe like that happening.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137122#Comment_121137122

All the more reason why the RTE cameraman should have slowly panned the attendance over and back a few times. That would put an end to faking going sick , for Jonny telling his mother that he is going to the gym, etc, etc, etc, etc.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137056#Comment_121137056

All elements of protest you're willing to condone when the topic is one you agree with though (See your support of the abuse leveled at a public talk this weekend by trans activists).

These type of gatherings, which are a kind of nebulous collection of the vaguely disenfranchised, to the foaming at the mouth types brought out by the very real injustices of modern Irish society are in turn informed by the type of action taken by groups such as those mentioned above.

Once society reaches a place where shouting down anyone you disagree with, you can't claim to be shocked when these type of gatherings occur and poor behaviour ends up erupting at them as they're being informed by the other protests and disappointing behaviour they observe carried out by others, which you are in favour of when the protest in question is something you agree with.

There's a worrying slide towards intolerance and a lack of empathy for anyone holding a contrasting opinion in his country and we've gotten to this point by aping what we see in other countries like mindless idiots.

So if yore going to stoke the fires of intolerance of differing opinions, could you please spare the rest of us the pearl clutching when there's a group of people you don't agree with acting stupidly on our streets?

pjordan

The whole thing stood out for it's ambiguety. I wondered whether this was that the sinister element involved in these protests was also suggested to behind many of the protests at the refugee centres and at politicians homes (and probably embrace the online, fascist, conspiracy lunacy of the Gemma O'Doherty fringe) so that there was a collective decision by the media not to give them any further publicity or oxygen than absolutely necessary.

But also these is the possibility that the fact that the main stream media, as well as TD's of all hues and staff of Leinster House were all targeted by this mob under an anti-establishment guise, may have prevented or handicapped the media in the extent of its coverage (although I defer in this context to the perseverance and capability of the hard nosed press corp attached to Leinster House in their ability to do their job)

Either way there is a lot of reading between the line as to exactly what element were involved, without it being specifically spelt out, beyond the use of phrases like "thugs" and "mob"

One thing that did occur to me, even though I only caught the end of his Morning Ireland interview, was the typical thick bull headed stubborn attitude of Michael Healy Rae, to effectively dive into and further incite the howling mob, just to perpetuate his carefully cultured image of a "man of the people" working for his constituents and for the country, in spite of all the challenges and naysayers against him. It was all good and well for him as an individual to take such a selfish decision but did he give any consideration to the gardai escort that had to protect him against the inflamed mob (His incitement doesn't help when he goes on the radio afterwards and suggests rightly or wrongy that the protesters need to get jobs or go out and do an honest days work), or more significantly to the 20 year old intern, apparently fresh of the plane from the US who obviously felt compelled to follow him and had her mobile phone stolen for her trouble.

Finally, my final though on the whole matter, whilst I in no way condone the manner or the thrust of yesterdays protests (and yes if they do believe in democracy let them put forwards some election candidates and see how much real support they have), is that perhaps it is time that the hallowed insulated halls of the sanctuary that is Leinster House had some indication of the anger that is abroad there amongst a considerable swathe of the population (not that yesterdays protesters by any means are representive of that anger) about a whole variety of issues from health to housing to agriculture to uncontrolled cost of living increases. There was something almost comic in the indignation of the politicians in being assailed or confronted by the filthy protesting peasants when they were busy trying to run the country.

For Forks Sake

Great "patriots", using the flag as clothing and dragging it along the street 🙄

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prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137192#Comment_121137192

I'm not making accuses for anyone, but the reality is if things get out of hand, thats what the public order unit is for. We're a very sheltered nation, a few people shouting abuse and mouthing off. People getting in panic and the media loosing the run of themselves. Only looking to compare it to the capital hill riots. Look at the protests in other European countries and see how lucky and peaceful we have it here.

yagan

I think anyone from the main media sources would have been a target for abuse.

One the boomer phrase there is actually some correlation as the peak in the 15-25 cohort happened in 1970 in the US, and in Ireland around 1990; so we we have a lot of angry frustrated middle aged people looking for a punch bag.

GSBellew

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137096#Comment_121137096

8th December is not a day off & I have never gone shopping on the 8th, nor do I know anybody that has, for the vast majority of this country that is also just another day.

Beechwoodspark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137239#Comment_121137239

People have a right to protest (legally), however awkward that may be for certain sections of society.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137208#Comment_121137208

https://www.newstalk.com/news/three-in-four-believe-ireland-is-taking-too-many-refugees-1469597

Dismiss it all you want and try ignore it, this isn’t going away.

Beechwoodspark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137245#Comment_121137245

Great post.

There needs to be balance.

Protests are non negotiable in society.

Constitutional right

They should be policed according to the law.

Politicians cannot run away and hide in a bubble.

gmisk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137152#Comment_121137152

Totally agree.

I worked in the department of education for a while, plenty of peaceful protests outside in that time. Scumbags involved just look at the pictures of the people involved (the usual muppets) and the video of Michael Healy Rae.

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137096#Comment_121137096

So you don't realise we have black friday sales too?

[Deleted User]

Why were they calling Healy Rae a traitor?

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137244#Comment_121137244

Tbf these protests attract professional English protestors to "fight" as a paytriot of Ireland.

And her work suit was at the dry cleaners.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137274#Comment_121137274

You ignored the part where they stated black Friday takes place in a public holiday in the United States (day after thanksgiving).

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137260#Comment_121137260

Clever.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137041#Comment_121137041

They are not pissed off voters, they don't seem to to know whst they are protesting about a mix of anti vax, anti immigration. anti sex education in schools, anti transgender.

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137256#Comment_121137256

Was that a newstalk poll? Newstalk is the tabloid of the airwaves.

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137208#Comment_121137208

Why would the demographics matter? You’re not being a classist now are you?

RobbingBandit

Rent a mob protest it all seems far too organised people accosting a small number of politicians and a mention of the very tragic situation of Jo Cox but not really anything of January 6th in the US or similar attacks on political institutions the mass mobilisation of Garda on any other return day for The Dail probably wouldn't be as large but there would be a presence as so many TD and Senators being in the Chambers and grounds doesn't happen more than a few times a term or even the year.

Tldr: Mountains out of Molehills with opportunistic words by small time politicians.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137282#Comment_121137282

People are making money going to other countries to protest?

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137281#Comment_121137281

They seemed to be calling everybody "traitor" to be honest.

The gallows they brought along had pretty much everybody represented on it - Photos of every party leader along with people like Paul Murphy and Brid Smith , so every elected politician is bad in their minds.

I found it amusing that there were multiple banners promoting the "Centre Right National Party" , which is an oxymoron at the very least.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137304#Comment_121137304

No it's not and it's extremely disrespectfull to any actual pissed off voters to link them to those protesters.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137303#Comment_121137303

They always matter. The demographics of the poll respondents needs to match the demographics of the country as a whole or else the results need to be weighted before they can be considered representative of public opinion at large