Dublin dail protests - read OP before posting

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137832#Comment_121137832

The question is why is this happening now, what has changed to trigger it.

I've posted on this before but my guess is that there are communities that are not able to cope with the pace of social change moreso than economic. Anyone that points that out gets labelled as a crank, racist or something-phobe in order to get them to shut up. One only has to look at Miriam Lord's article in the times today - she mocks the man with the placard "I am angry" and "Ballybrack says no" in that it is just undirected anger but she knows well what they are angry about and knows why their placards cannot explicitly state it.

Quin_Dub

Even if yesterdays mob had managed to behave like humans , the protest still wouldn't have been successful because they were "protesting" about a laundry list of things.

The only protests that work are ones that have a focused single issue that is clear and easy for everyone to understand.

There was no "message" from yesterday other than disorganised chaos leading to thuggery and illegal acts.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137868#Comment_121137868

We do deserve who we vote in but as they've been voted in, it is not up to a bunch of knuckledragging thugs to change that through violence. It was one step away from the Jan 6th Capitol riots in terms of attacking our democracy.

I don't think I would agree with any policy put forwards by MHR but I will stand up and defend his right as an elected member of our Dáil to put it forwards!

Ash.J.Williams

The problem is it's getting harder and harder to draw the dole and sit on your hole these days with the current cost of living and some people have had enough 🤣

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137742#Comment_121137742

You obviously believe it’s an inaccurate poll due to the absence of irrelevant demographics.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137912#Comment_121137912

I don't think a protest outside the Dail has ever successfully delivered change - there's some group or other there nearly every day whistling into the wind.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137894#Comment_121137894

They definitely seem to be the uneducated and the 'left behind'. Those were very flat Dublin accents yesterday, clearly from the inner city or rough areas in the suburbs. I guess they see their 'movement' as being an anti-establishment one....they see the government and the MSM as their outright enemies, peddling lies and working to screw them over and keep them down.

Tork

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137872#Comment_121137872

I don't know if there is an ultimate root for this. I'm sure some of them have sprung from the "Littler" side of the fence but not all. I think they're largely opportunists who've stumbled across a way of earning fame and money without having to do a tap of work. I don't know if they're united enough to try and get any election candidates elected. I think it's more a case of every man & woman for themselves, though sharing the same platforms.

I once heard a commentator on the radio saying that people like these don't really want power (i.e. being elected politicians in government). What they want is to move the needle nearer to what they want. Having an Irish Freedom Party TD in the Dáil isn't really what they want. But if you have refugee accommodation being closed down or LGBT books removed from libraries they'll take it as a win and profit financially from it. There are people who are happy to pay them for their activism. I have no idea who they are how how much they get but it seems to be worth their while.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137894#Comment_121137894

Agree, Ireland has changed a lot over the past 2 decades and with an accelerating rate of change post Covid due to world factors. Only the well off are anyway sheltered from the effects of this change.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137937#Comment_121137937

I think you're largely on the money there although I think they see their enemy as the broader political system and media than just the government.

It's something of a chicken and egg problem though - they have no public voice because they fail to engage with the political system and don't engage with the system because they have no voice.

At the moment this broad church of disaffected is surrounded by grifters but it probably a matter of time until someone with a brain uses this anger to organise something politically effective.

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137937#Comment_121137937

I work with some highly educated people who have very “Dublin “ accents, this a very snobbish post

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121138014#Comment_121138014

I'm from a working class part of Dublin myself and hear working class accents every day of the week. But their accents, combined with the non stop "F"s and "c**ts" in every single sentence tells me these are out and out skangers and no ordinary working class Dubs.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137252#Comment_121137252

Yesterday goes beyond protest in its violence, intimidations, threats and calls for murder

Jackiebt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137357#Comment_121137357

No, do your own research.

rob316

Go get a job ye bums and contribute. Anyone I know personally that is involved in these right wing mobs are unemployed which in todays economy is actually an achievement.

Losers, the absolute losers of life these people are.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137934#Comment_121137934

The Pensioner protest a few years ago got exactly what they wanted.

The actual "public protest" wasn't the key part but its clarity and focus allowed all concerned to know exactly what they wanted and how they would punish the government of the day if their aims weren't achieved.

What do these protestors actually want, does anybody know?

Do they?

TedBundysDriver

Amazing the over reaction to this in the media.

Tork

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121138082#Comment_121138082

I don't know if they actually want anything from the gubberment. It's more of an opportunity to make money for the grifters in their number. This will all have been live streamed to their followers. There's money to be made from being a disruptor.

Become Death

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121138092#Comment_121138092

I'm just waiting for it to be called an insurrection.

rob316

The worst part is I feel sympathy for politicians today, that is all this mob achieved

event

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121137929#Comment_121137929

A poll cant be inaccurate. The results are the results.

However, whether it represents the feeling in Ireland at the moment, I am not so sure.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121138082#Comment_121138082

I'd say, broadly speaking, they are looking for a slow down, stoppage or reversal of the social changes that are ongoing in their communities.

They are very disparate groupings though with anger and alienation the only real common thread among them.

The same shower who historically would have sat in the backrooms of dodgy pubs singing F*ck the Brits and Up the Ra to the Wolfe Tones

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121138099#Comment_121138099

That certainly applies to the "organisers" but for the rag tag collection of randomers that turned up , do they know why they were there and what they were hoping to achieve?

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121138193#Comment_121138193

Completely fair and agreed!

Economics101

The gallows bit remind me a little of Jan 6th in Washington DC. Fortunately we don't have a Trumpster anywhere near office to incite them any further.

And please no more refenence to "Far Right": these people are just beyond any sort of political thinking, awareness or ideology.

KevMayo88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121138092#Comment_121138092

Agreed. Amazing to see so many crybaby politicians playing the victim card on the radio this morning. Get over yourselves ffs, it was a vocal protest, nothing more.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121138336#Comment_121138336

Of course they are far right - anti immigrant, anti refugee, anti LGBT, anti democracy and violent

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121138361#Comment_121138361

A vocal protest that was abusive, threatening, intimidating, violent and promoted murder of politicians.

AMKC

Absolutely disgusting to see people protesting like that outside the Dail yesterday. I am delighted and saddened as they have just made it harder for themselves to protest at the Dail which is good. We do not need scum like that outside the Dail but for genuine people with real issues they have made it harder for them to protest outside it which is sad.