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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,910 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    How is that the very definition?

    Attacking with smaller groups of men isnt necessarily "throwing men at lines" or not caring.

    It isnt. It is you defining it that way to suit your argument.

    It is you displaying confirmation bias and circular logic. You have clearly already decided the offensive has failed and therefore frame any lives lost from that point on as wasted.

    Your claims have zero standing, zero foundation and therefore zero merit.


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,981 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Interesting that you changed the link title. Never seen a not dodgy post do that.

    Written in Russia by Russia.

    He even called it "the special military operation" 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭amandstu


    How the Ukrainians conduct their war against illegal and unprovoked aggressive expansionism (accompanied by threats of genocidal extermination) is up to them.

    I am not sure whether your characterization of "throwing men at lines" comes from (wars are hardly neat and orderly affairs and this is a struggle against barbaric armies from totalitarian regimes).

    You apparently wish to come to a modus vivendi with Russia that allows them to retain territory they have illegally captured and would seemingly like to convince us that they will be content with their acquisitions once pen is put to paper(and expulsions /colonizations /mass murders are duly carried out)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Beverly Hills, California



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,981 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    He and I posted the same thing. How I posted it is how it normally comes up but you can rewrite links. I only ever see it done to hide the source which this time was a ".ru" site that he knew needed hiding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭Blarney_man


    Balkans will be fine as long as everyone is defending themselves. Proved in 1990., Croats had nothing, fought against much bigger army, it came to NATO stopping "The Storm" action before they got to Banja Luka and liberate entire Western Balkans from Serbs. Unfortunately, Americans stopped it for some stupid reason



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Not yet anyway. Will he use them in the future? Now that's the million dollar ( or more) question. Also its often mentioned about sandal clad Afghans defeating the mighty Russian army, but its worth remembering that it took 10 years to get them out, and the two main reasons for defeating them were, (1). The US started supplying the Mujahidin with shoulder held weapons capable of downing the Russian helicopter Gunships ( the Hind) Once the Russians lost air superiority, they were doomed, and (2) the Afghan war was driving Russia to bankruptcy. When the last Russian has left Ukraine, then I'll believe that its over, and Ukraine has won, and Putin has lost. But until then, and despite all of the talk about Russia losing etc. I'll be keeping an open mind on it, and especially any miracle break through, causing the Russians to down tools en-masse, and head back to Russia. Which of course would be the best possible outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Important to click links. Anyone at risk here is already making their mind up off the link itself, not the content. If you click the link you see all you need to make your mind up. You can even hover your mouse over to see the full link at the bottom of your browser before you click. Non-problem solved.

    Anyone having their mind swayed off this link formatting is already a lost cause.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Well if nothing else the war from June to the next US elections will have weakened the Russian army so it will be longer for them to rebuild and break said agreement.


    Which they will do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭jmreire


    You have probably seen the link I sent you by now, and what I posted is exactly what's in the link, and the author is a pretty big shot in Russia in terms of defense and planning. I'd say that he would have been on Putin's team of advisors on the invasion of Ukraine. And if Putin listened to him before, then he is most likely listening to him now too.

    SERGEI A. KARAGANOVDSc (History)

    Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, Russia

    Honorary Chairman of the Presidium



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    When you read that and see a sentence like this: "we liberate the whole of Ukraine and remain in ruins with a population that mostly hates us" it says much about some aspects of the Russian psyche and none of it good. How the fcuk could someone use the term "liberation" while at the same time state most of the "liberated" hates them?

    Or stuff like this: "This failure is accompanied by rapid changes, unprecedented in history, in the global balance of power in favor of the Global Majority, with China and partly India acting as its economic drivers, and Russia chosen by history to be its military-strategic pillar". And this chucklehead claims to have a masters in history?

    China is fooked and getting more fookery by the week. Her demographics passed the point of no return and they didn't like their (cooked)figures so quite simply stopped counting. Even with this demographic disaster the unemployment rate among the young they do have is climbing, nearly 20% at last count and they only count numbers of urban unemployed. Well, until they stopped counting there too. Their property asset bubble, the largest in history and one that makes up a fair chunk of their home economy, well the banks are starting to burst there with their two largest property companies in bankruptcy.

    India is doing well and looking good for the future, but they stand out among Russia's "allies" in being a functioning democracy and they've long and wisely kept both "East" and "West" at some remove, with Western investment increasing year on year, as it rapidly moves away from China. Because unlike China they have an open, trasnsparent and growing economy too(you can get your money in and out of India, unlike China).

    Russia, the military-strategic pillar, "chosen" by history? Eh... What in god's name is he smoking? Then he amps up the daftness with this beauty: The creation of nuclear weapons was the result of divine intervention. Good jaysus. Do they actually believe this nonsense? The scary part is if they do and evidence seems to suggest they do, then they are very bloody dangerous. like a huge wounded animal.

    He then comes out with this level of loolah: "we will not only save ourselves and finally free the world from the five-century-long Western yoke" Now I know some of them are playing to the home audience and the cheap seats in the developing world, but for a guy with a masters in history to have a memory hole about the Western, Christian, European empire, once ruled by the same inbred cousins "ordained by god" as the others(with even more power), the last one left, the only one to expand post WW2 until that went tits up, the very nation that he lives in and claims is a "saviour" beggars belief.

    On the last paragraph I can say that the Russians I do know have exactly the same memory hole and cognitive dissonance about the Russian Empire, and no amount of pointing out the obvious will sway them. They're like the English and French of previous imperial generations who saw themselves as 'bringing civilisation' not colonising. Their very attitudes prove their still imperial mindset, but they really don't see the irony at all. Again dangerous.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭jmreire


    When they are being dropped by a plane, they can control the height that the main bomb opens, discharging the clusters of bomblets'. With shells, I'm not so sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Well you were right about one thing Breezy, My use of the word "Balkan" instead of "Baltics" . Mea Culpa. But aside from that, You have Serbia, who while not 100% in support of Putin, many are, and far too many, in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭amandstu



    This is a big departure.

    As they say,if you try to kill the king make sure not to miss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,669 ✭✭✭Hoboo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,910 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Then it should be easy to provide supporting evidence

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    That Russian global affairs article is some read I must say.


    The world in 1939 was very much a “multi-polar world “. That’s the world they want to bring back??

    They really are just shaking their fist at the sky.

    The consequences of them nuking a mid size city in Eastern Europe are unknown and unthinkable but how they can think they could gain any favourable outcome from such action is unbelievable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,061 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It still is a multi polar world. It's just that Russia is no longer one of them.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Following assurances given over future posting Gatling threadban lifted



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Changed the link title??? I don't get you....I copied the address of the page I was looking at and posted it exactly as it was, but there are several articles on the same page, if you scroll down. Take your pick. Sure it's in Russian, it was written by a Russian for Russians, I never claimed otherwise. Up to you if you want to dismiss it as Russian Propaganda or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Is it really a multipolar world today though???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, its actually frightening to think that some one with a mindset like that could be shaping Russia's view of the world, and its place in it. Thats why I think that he could be one of the main influencers behind Putin, even in pre invasion days, and the present rewriting of Russian history, and presenting in a completely different light. Even Stalin is getting a make over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,032 ✭✭✭jmreire


    As Breezy has already pointed out, I typed "Balkans" in stead of "Baltics". My mistake, but it was Russian and Ukraine I was talking about. You mean the Dayton Agreement in 1995?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Who knows ,is this crowd worse than Stalin?

    Stalin had the excuse of attempting to establish Socialism in a sea of antagonidtic and incompatible capitalist world powers.

    He also had to deal with the likes of one Adolf Hitler


    This crowd has no such excuse and yet freely invades and pillages its neighbours whilst threatening the world with nuclear armageddon and (as far as I know) has nothing positive to contribute to the fight against man made global warming.


    Maybe a new Stalin in the Kremlin would be an improvement?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Who would he be like? Hitler or one of those mad fellas? Worse than Hitler. You wouldn't find Hitler playing jungle music at 3 o'clock in the morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Maybe Donald Trump if he learned to play the trombone.He could have Van the Man as his minister of Health.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,136 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Maybe someday we could get this thread title changed to Ukraine?

    Sick of looking at Russia as the thread title everyday, while Ukraine fight for their lives and right to exist.

    Russia doesn’t deserve it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭john why


    Agree 100%



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