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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain



    Or just for the photoshoot.

    Bjorn has those videos where he runs the cars until they die and he recovers them with 2 ecoflow batteries, sometimes just one is needed. In one he got rescued by an Ioniq6 which has V2L, so much more elegant solutions available than that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,315 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Yes I assume someone chanced their arm to get home near 0% and did not make it so they came up with a DIY solution to get them that last few miles. Most break down services just tow EVs to the nearest working charge point or home. It's often quicker than staying and trying to slow charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,722 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Easy to get caught, inexperienced 232, wet day with reduced range, might have thought 0% on an EV was like the fuel light on an ICE. Probably had a friend/relation with a genny. And it's Waterford, where chargers are scarce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    In defence of the Cupra, it should have nearly 15km range even after the SoC reads 0%

    Based on Bjorn's tests in the ID.3, the car reads 0% when the BMS is actually at 5%

    But it'll shut down at 2%, so you don't get much extra range

    Should still be enough to get to an AC charger at least, although if it is Waterford then public chargers are a pretty rare commodity indeed

    I reckon that's actually the AA but were in a rental van, seeing plenty of companies in unbranded rentals at the moment

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I think Will Prowse did a video where he made exactly that, a battery handcart with a built in inverter

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,633 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I made a small 48V one myself years ago (that you could actually pick up and carry on your own), but I couldn't get the granny charger to charge the Tesla with it, presumably an earthing issue. Didn't look into it further. My inverter was non-sine wave so might have been the culprit. I think I actually used my eBike battery for that. Obviously a tiny setup literally to give it 1-2km range to limp it home



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    One thing to watch out for us that some cars (including any MEB cars like the Born) require you to put a certain amount of charge in before they'll move again

    Bjorn did the test with the ID.3 which should be functionally the same

    I think he put around 1-1.5kWh into the battery before it'd allow him to crawl to the DC charger

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I think you might be overestimating the efficiency of the generator there

    I dunno what model it is, and I'm not bothering to look it up. But I know the Hyundai 5kW diesel gensets run for 25 hours at 50% load off a 25l tank

    So that helpfully works out to 2.5kWh/l, a bit lower than the 4 you used

    So 44c/kWh, which is actually still cheaper than the day rate with some suppliers 🙄

    Is green diesel really only €1.10/l though? I know it's usually a good bit cheaper than unmarked diesel but that's close to 40%, normally it was around 30% cheaper so between 1.20 and 1.30 per litre

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭sk8board


    The day this 2030 date was announced, the whole wide world said they’d have to row back on it. it was inevitable.

    ‘Warning petrol ban delay could stop people buying electric cars’

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-6686396



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,633 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    No need to make 2030 the date that the sale of new petrol and diesel cars will no longer be allowed to be sold. Virtually nobody will want to buy one way before that. And for the stubborn folk, enjoy your car costing 5 times as much in total cost of ownership, good luck



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    The worry is what else they'll row back on, subsidies for charging network, taxes on ICE cars

    This is the PM of free markets, low taxes and "maxing out" the UK's oil and gas industry 🙄

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭sk8board


    A bit hyperbolic; and thats obviously not how government policy works.

    mall the old chestnuts apply, when you’re applying a policy to everyone in the whole country-

    EVs don’t suit everyone

    cost comparatively a lot more.

    In a country where the fiesta class car was the top selling car for a few decades roughly, you can’t just magic the money into all those peoples pockets to afford a similar sized EV (few of them exist to begin with, and most have incredibly low range ). Indeed their buying power is reducing for the past few years.

    so the mass market new car buyer doesn’t have a similar prices EV to pick. the person driving a €45k Tiguan changed to a €48k model Y for example. No big deal.

    also, if you do very low mileage (less than 10,000km pa), it’s hard to justify spending €6-10k more for the EV of similar size to save maybe €1k pa in fuel costs.

    EVs are far from depreciation proof - indeed the 2nd hand market appears to be a battleground right now.

    it’s way more complicated to set a policy rather than just have an opinion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    This is the UK government we're talking about here, anyone earning less than £60k per year doesn't count as a person to them 😬

    From what I can tell this has nothing to do with consumers but more around protecting jobs

    When BoJo the clown was in charge he was talking big about a green industrial revolution where Britain would be some powerhouse of battery and EV production

    While simultaneously throwing up enormous trade barriers with their main car export market. Seems like there's some flaws in his logic 🤔

    Anyway, instead of a green revolution they got the highest COVID death rate in Europe and a bunch of scandals from Number 10. Oh and a bunch of broken promises, I'm still waiting on that bridge across the Irish sea 🙄

    There's been a fair few UK battery or car startups that went wallop, Britishvolt being the main one that comes to mind

    Anyway, poor Rishi has to pick up the pieces and is doing it the only way he knows how, rampant and shortsighted profit driven capitalism, with a healthy dose of deregulation to stop the big brains being held back by pesky things like environmental or societal concerns.

    All fueled by ever mounting debt, although at least they're getting a decent rate for bonds now, that should shore up the pension funds, since OAPs are the only people voting for him now

    Anyways, rant over, carry on 😁

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Sounds like you want to stay with with ICE. And that’s fine. Nobody has a noose around your neck. 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭sk8board


    what? Nothing to do with me - I’m just suggesting that the grown-ups don’t use hyperbole like yours when they’re defining policies that effect half the population.

    nobody has a noose around the necks of the 82% of people in Ireland who can afford a new car this year and choose an ICE either.

    Imagine for a sec, all those people making decisions with their own money that don’t correlate with your own circumstance or opinion … mental, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭Woodie40




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,633 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    @sk8board - "nobody has a noose around the necks of the 82% of people in Ireland who can afford a new car this year and choose an ICE either."

    Indeed. A fool and their money in a lot of those cases. And in most of those cases it wasn't even their money that paid for the car but they committed to paying it back 😯



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,182 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    You sound very angry, relax. You’re talking to strangers on the internet here.

    You seem to think people are forced to buy a new car 😂

    100% of car buyers can choose what they want, it’s their money and not one iota of your hyperbole will change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I just have a mental image of the car sales mafia forcing people to buy cars now 😂

    Sure that's effectively what a PCP is supposed to do, keep you rolling in debt and buying new cars to avoid the balloon payment

    If anything I'd say it's the garages are going to be the fools

    A lot of those cars will be on PCP or maybe leased, in which case the risk for future devaluation lands on the dealership

    In any case, it's 2023 last I checked, so any diesel cars bought now would have devalued heavily by 2030 regardless of ICE bans

    And the thing to remember is that any ICE bans spoken about are on new car sales, not second hand. So someone can buy a diesel on December 31st 2034 and still run it up to 2050 or sor

    It won't immediately lose all it's value on the second hand market, in fact the impression of scarcity may cause ICE cars to hold their value for longer for a while

    Much to the detriment of the planet and everyone living on it 🙄

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    I think far more likely than whether the goal is achievable the UK decision just represents a quiet alignment to the agreed EU goal of ICE sales bans by 2035.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,222 ✭✭✭creedp


    Presumably Ireland will continue to bang its 2030 ICE best in class ban until it once again misses an arbitrary and headline grabbing ban.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Is it 2030? I thought we were 2035 like the rest of Europe?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I want!

    Actually I'm probably too old and my back is too wrecked for that carry on 😔

    Still, how cool would electric go karting be? Instant tourque, crazy acceleration, no petrol tank between your legs that looks like it's one spark from burning you to death

    I took a look at the company and they do commercial karts for every age group, the power can even be limited so little Fionnán doesn't pancake himself against a wall doing 160km/h

    This would be a great way for young people to see the fun side of driving EVs (aside from the electric bikes and scooters they all have)

    Hopefully it catches on here. Maybe someone will reopen Kart City in Dublin as an electric karting track 🤔

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    As far as I was aware we've already been told it's not doable under single market rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,222 ✭✭✭creedp


    Makes sense. So proves it just another in a long line of arbitrary unattainable aspirations to appear best in class domestically, in the eternally spoofing Programme for Govt, and internationally. All PR and no knickers



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    It's pretty much a standard part of how the harmonised single market works.

    Country A wants X, Country B wants Y. Negotiations happen and the final agreement ends up somewhere in the middle. Functionally the EU ban isn't all that different from the Irish ban. Sale of vehicles that can use any combustible fossil fuel are stilled banned as of 2035 exactly as per the Irish ban. As to the 2030 proposal being unattainable as of this year we're already at 47% of new cars would still be allowed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,633 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The ban is a damp squib. Nobody will be buying any combustion cars years before 2035



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,222 ✭✭✭creedp


    I understand the single market implications of the proposed ban and I agree that, given current trajectory of EV market penetration, ICE manufacturers will largely if not wholly at least for mass market cars have transitioned to EVs or gone bust in advance of 2035.

    My point being the Govt went off half cocked making a 2030 ice ban commitment that they, had they given any advamce serious policy consideration to, would have known was not a runner. Yet again a triumph of PR over substance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I can guarantee there'll still be ICE sales, automakers and dealerships will offer heavy discounts to try and prop up their ICE business whole they transition to electric and buyers will see a cheaper car and go for it without thinking about TCO

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain




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