Random EV thoughts.....

coolbeans · 10-09-2023 08:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081840#Comment_121081840

MarkN as already stated

the_amazing_raisin · 10-09-2023 09:26PM

*Checks in on the random EV thoughts thread*

Ugh a bunch of people are still arguing, I'll leave it a few more days and hopefully they'll get all the piss and wind out of themselves

*Leaves a sarcastic comment and goes back to the funny pics thread*

Gumbo · 10-09-2023 09:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121094386#Comment_121094386

Well it is random…..

kanuseeme · 10-09-2023 10:41PM

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/24000-takes-it-this-weekend-tesla-model-3/35032511

24000 now, Battery is at 91% which is above average for the Tesla fleet.

I am not interested but some of you could see value in it.

Gumbo · 10-09-2023 10:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121094998#Comment_121094998

Already posted in the bargain thread.

Great value there for someone.

kanuseeme · 10-09-2023 11:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121090023#Comment_121090023

I was paying 7.5 cent, I don't know what it is now, wife done it, same as every one else I suppose, maybe the odd time I could plug in at day rate, the odd odd time plug in again, its only a 10 kwh battery its not going to break me.

looking at bjorn nyland he said 20 kwh/100 km @ 125km so that means a range of 320 summer, 23kwh for winter, which means less again, maybe you would want to slow down there.

This is the 2nd time you have made an off the cuff /stupid remark that I have to provide proof, its kind of embarrassing at this stage and seeing you lacked backbone to keep one post up there might be one less reply to be made, but rest assured I will answer the one thats left.

So proof No. 2.

As I replied to your statement of "my kona doing 300 km @ 125 kph" , I said bjorn nyland the well known and trusted the world over, EV commentator, not some keyboard warrior like yourself,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsEdAq4N_WU

If you go to 25.19 thats minutes and seconds, (I am kind of worried about the intellect I am dealing with here) you can see clearly thats 22,3 kWh @ 125 kph @ 0 Celsius ,thats less that 300 km, I could not find summer stats but in the same video he said 20 kwh, so thats over 300km range your ok there, so for your benefit please slow down a little in winter, I feel you could be left stranded and worry about how you would cope, no need for a reply your welcome.

liamog · 11-09-2023 09:33AM

Mod Note: Stick to EV related topics, if people need help finding other topics they can use the search function. Off topic posts removed.

11-09-2023 01:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121095206#Comment_121095206

Talking about intelligence: If you ever fully watched TB's 1000 km challenge videos you'd know that he often has a passport strategally blocking the speedo. He even says he's driving at speed limit + VAT. So his results may not apply for real life. He does however do the 90 + 120 km/h range tests exactly at the correct average speed. But even those are a bit flawed at Irish context as it's tough to get average speed to be exactly the speed limit when driving here.

11-09-2023 01:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121086211#Comment_121086211

Oh yes, follow up on this: We did that trip I mention on Saturday. Leaving the house at 90% we returned after 300 km with 29% remaining. And that was with driving at GPS speed + a few km/h over just not to be as slow as the other traffic. Wasn't exactly a chore some posters seem to make EV driving to be in Ireland. And this was after covering 8116 km on our summer holidays without any range anxiety whatsoever.

sk8board · 11-09-2023 06:49PM

What is that test the seller with the cheap M3 did to See it has 91% SoC? Is it the one in the Tesla service menu.

re the replies above about the various tests being long and laborious, I wasn’t aware of that, sounds like one of the old Windows disk defrag scans :)

you’d imagine every seller should be doing that test, or would even a 95% SoC be seen as a negative for the seller, more so than a positive for a buyer (in that they have certainty on range) - the buyer can then see the SoC and also the lifetime (winters and summers) efficiency = very accurate measurement of what range they can expect from the car they’re buying?

munchkin_utd · 11-09-2023 06:55PM

I was just thinking, will we eventually get to the stage that in developed countries Evs will be judged more on their speed of charging than their range - when high speed chargers are more readily available with minimum detours ? If I have a car with 250km usable range, that can be topped up in no time, then a bigger battery for the very very occassional longer trip just isnt needed any more for 95% of people.

From the 1000km challenge above, the range wasnt really the issue as it was reasonable enough but the frustrating thing was slower charging than you would have on other models and the odd gap in the charging network that forces you to make counter intituive charge stops (you have plenty of range but you need a top up to bridge a gap in the charging network)

And slightly tangental, but I would love to see that 1000km challenge in the winter in proper sub zero temperatures in a normal 30 grand car like an MG or the likes and see how that affects things and is it as bad as your rabid anti Ev person would have you believe it is .

liamog · 11-09-2023 08:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121098362#Comment_121098362

The Euro 7 regulations will apply to EVs and require certain levels of battery longevity and reporting.

sk8board · 11-09-2023 10:04PM

It’s a good point, but it would only add to the potential early obsolescence of existing EVs as the technology evolves. It’s a long way away anyhow.

From an Irish perspective, we have the perfect EV market. the EV v ICE argument pretty much ends when we have a selection of good value EVs with a winter range of 400km, that have 90% SoC when 10years old. the debate is really what we consider to be ‘good value’.

something like an M3 LR for something like €35k, but it’s just wild speculation

sk8board · 11-09-2023 10:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121098697#Comment_121098697

batteries need to retain a ‘good part’ of their initial capacity :)

for such an important regulatory document, it’s quite basic in the language used for such an important part 😀

Gumbo · 12-09-2023 08:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121099022#Comment_121099022

You mean SoH. Not SoC.

September1 · 12-09-2023 09:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121098362#Comment_121098362

Tessie app measures that, but it is not popular in Ireland. I think also TeslaFI makes this estimation.

Gumbo · 12-09-2023 10:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121099863#Comment_121099863

I think they are not popular as they are not accurate. They are using the details spit out by the BMS I believe. Similar to a manual calculate based on range, % and extrapolation.

liamog · 12-09-2023 10:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121099095#Comment_121099095

The Euro 7 regulation refers to a technical regulation published by UNECE, it's listed in the same screenshot. The language is basic because Euro 7 is saying that vehicles must meet a technical standard and that technical standard is harmonised at a higher level.

https://unece.org/sites/default/files/2023-01/ECE_TRANS_180a22e.pdf

AndyBoBandy · 12-09-2023 10:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121099863#Comment_121099863

Yeah, for any of these 3rd party apps like Scan My Tesla, Tessie etc... you effectively have to give them the log in credentials to your Tesla account, and thus they get full access to your car.... So essentially you are giving the keys to your car to a 3rd party!

Now I'm sure they are all honest companies providing a useful service, but what happens when they get hacked? or a former disgruntled employee decided to sell your car keys on the dark web to the highest bidder...

Would be great craic trying to explain all that to your insurance company.... "yeah but I wanted to see how healthy the cars battery was"

Thanks but no thanks..

the_amazing_raisin · 12-09-2023 09:55PM

So it looks like I'll need to cancel my We Charge card

More accurately, We Charge stopped accepting Revolut and I refused to open another bank account to keep using it, so they're freezing my account

I may also have explained to them that if they weren't a bunch of bumbling idiots who couldn't find their wallets if they were holding them then they wouldn't have so many issues with taking payments

Anyways.... I might need to get another charging card at some point if I travel to another country so decided to investigate various cards

I found this site which seems pretty cool as a way of comparing different cards

https://allchargecards.com/

Seems pretty detailed and there's a lot of filters, there's even a nice cost comparison of different charging cards and they rate the coverage in each country in Europe (well, 12 countries in Europe, I guess we weren't important enough to make the list)

slave1 · 12-09-2023 09:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121100036#Comment_121100036

I have scanmytesla, you don't have to give any account details, just hook up a Bluetooth OBD reader and that's it

CoBo55 · 12-09-2023 10:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121102948#Comment_121102948

He's not here there's a sale on tin foil in his local Lidl he's stocking up😊😊

the_amazing_raisin · 12-09-2023 10:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121102959#Comment_121102959

As an software engineer I would highly recommend you just assume any data you put on the internet will be leaked or lost eventually

Software companies are either totally incompetent with security or they just don't give a f**k

Now how sensitive is the data they could grab from your car? Depends on what's being recorded, I imagine some people might not want their location history being dumped on the internet for example

CoBo55 · 12-09-2023 10:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121103017#Comment_121103017

Maybe they need better software engineers... How many rolls did you get😉

With your phone in the car your location history is being "dumped" as you eloquently put it on the internet continuously.

the_amazing_raisin · 13-09-2023 12:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121103119#Comment_121103119

I unfortunately didn't get many rolls since the lunches weren't free 😉

I suppose the point I'm making is that when you grant a 3rd party application access to your account, it's worth keeping in mind that once they have access there's a whole range of data they can store

On top of that, while Tesla probably has decent software security, some app developed and maintained by a couple of enterprising software engineers may not have the same level of security

Now, is it any less secure than your phone? Probably not, even if your phone's OS is reasonably secure, a lot of the apps probably aren't

But if you're in any way wary of privacy then it's worth paying attention to the data your car is storing as much as you'd be looking at other things

liamog · 13-09-2023 01:54PM

Mod Note: Moved the EU/Chinese Subsidies investigation to own topic https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058313588/eu-investigates-chinese-ev-manufacturing-subsidies#latest

the_amazing_raisin · 13-09-2023 02:44PM

So I've been trying to figure out a way of viewing recently planning applications for EV charging hubs

Previously I've been cycling through the planning lists of various county councils, which is pretty head wrecking

However I found the link below which allows you to query the national database

https://services.arcgis.com/NzlPQPKn5QF9v2US/arcgis/rest/services/IrishPlanningApplications/FeatureServer/0/query

It's not exactly user friendly but if you're familiar with SQL then you can figure it out. I was able to assemble a list of recent applications for EV chargers using the query below in the "where" field

ReceivedDate >= '2023-09-01 12:00:00 AM' AND (DevelopmentDescription LIKE '%EV charg%' OR DevelopmentDescription LIKE '%ev charg%' OR DevelopmentDescription LIKE '%electric vehicle%')'DevelopmentDescription' LIKE '%EV charg%' OR 'DevelopmentDescription' LIKE '%ev charg%' OR 'DevelopmentDescription' LIKE '%electric vehicle%'

Someone with better database skills can probably make up a better query, I tend to run and hide whenever SQL gets mentioned 😅

There's a list of the available fields here:

https://services.arcgis.com/NzlPQPKn5QF9v2US/ArcGIS/rest/services/IrishPlanningApplications_FVLayer/FeatureServer/0

From what I can tell there are some drawbacks

Main one probably being that any hub up to 4 chargers doesn't require planning permission

Also not every county council is updating the DB, Dublin City seem to be not bothering to keep it updated

Anyway, it might help some people to track new hubs