Have NPHET lost the attention of people?

Zebra3 · 01-12-2020 9:37pm

Thats me wrote: »

Are you scared with this?

Scared with what?

Your post makes no sense.

Thats me · 01-12-2020 10:30pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Scared with what?

Your post makes no sense.

So what you think should happen if "we have financial experts being given the same air time to give their doom and gloom about the economy?" :eek:

is_that_so · 02-12-2020 2:17pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

Got to ask, who's that Journalist, I think from the Irish Times who attends the press conferences, he's an absolute A***hole

Most probably Paul Cullen. He's been very prickly almost since Day 1.

McHardcore · 14-12-2020 1:31pm

Considering the number of european neighbours that have to go into lockdown over Christmas, it looks NPHET made the right call in suggesting the level 5 lockdown here when they did.

Melanchthon · 14-12-2020 2:00pm

McHardcore wrote: »

Considering the number of european neighbours that have to go into lockdown over Christmas, it looks NPHET made the right call in suggesting the level 5 lockdown here when they did.

European countries had a proper relaxed autumn though, comparing the strictness of Irish lockdown to a lot of European countries and you see Ireland never really allowed normal life.
Is there anywhere in the world that kept pubs closed since march like Dublin has been.

McHardcore · 14-12-2020 8:42pm

Melanchthon wrote: »

European countries had a proper relaxed autumn though, comparing the strictness of Irish lockdown to a lot of European countries and you see Ireland never really allowed normal life.
Is there anywhere in the world that kept pubs closed since march like Dublin has been.

Its better to have relax in the restrictions for Christmas than it was for weeks in Autumn. Similarly, its better to have a death count as low now as it is than to have made decisions like keeping the pubs open. London, Germany, The Netherlands and now Italy look like they will be facing stricter restrictions coming up to Christmas which is very unfortunate.

JimmyVik · 15-12-2020 9:58am

McHardcore wrote: »

Its better to have relax in the restrictions for Christmas than it was for weeks in Autumn. Similarly, its better to have a death count as low now as it is than to have made decisions like keeping the pubs open. London, Germany, The Netherlands and now Italy look like they will be facing stricter restrictions coming up to Christmas which is very unfortunate.

Im partial to a pint myself.
Cant say that keeping the pubs closed during the pandemic was a bad idea.
I was a bit upset at the start. Got used to it.
At the end of the day its all in my head. I can actually survive with the pubs closed.

SB79 · 15-12-2020 10:59am

I'll be honest i dont think i ever heard the name NPHET until this pandemic and im sure many were the same, and like pretty much everyone was fully supportive at the start,as time went on i began to question the approach they were taking, but now i cannot stand the sight of Holohan,Glynn and the rest of them, the approach they have taken to this is completely flawed, and outdated and this isnt just me saying this,numerous medical professionals have come out publically and stated this, NPHET appear to be lock down enthuisasts and this is all they seem to want, initialy everyone was shocked at the thoughts of a lock down but went along with it, the second time a large percentage were totally against it and it still hasnt made much of a difference, all lock downs do is cause economic and social misery.

Holohan appears to thrive on the daily dose of fear and misery, dictating to the public like he is some type of overlord, so im not one bit supriersed the majority of the Irish public appear to have turned against him and NPHET ,they absolutely should be disbanded.

November Golf · 15-12-2020 12:37pm

SB79 wrote: »

I'll be honest i dont think i ever heard the name NPHET until this pandemic and im sure many were the same, and like pretty much everyone was fully supportive at the start,as time went on i began to question the approach they were taking, but now i cannot stand the sight of Holohan, Glynn and the rest of them, the approach they have taken to this is completely flawed, and outdated and this isnt just me saying this,numerous medical professionals have come out publicly and stated this, NPHET appear to be lock down enthuisasts and this is all they seem to want, initialy everyone was shocked at the thoughts of a lock down but went along with it, the second time a large percentage were totally against it and it still hasnt made much of a difference, all lock downs do is cause economic and social misery.

Holohan appears to thrive on the daily dose of fear and misery, dictating to the public like he is some type of overlord, so im not one bit supriersed the majority of the Irish public appear to have turned against him and NPHET ,they absolutely should be disbanded.

The reason you didn't heard of the National Public Health Emergency Team, is because we didn't have an "Public Health Emergency". We are dealing with a global pandemic, whether you like it or not.

What alternative approach would you have preferred? The do-nothing approach hasn't worked out very well for the UK or Sweden. The United States followed suit and no reasonable person could suggest their winner.

What exactly is flawed about the approach? it has reduce the amount of virus in the community, slowed the spread, minimising deaths and is buying us time until we get a vaccine for the virus? Other countries in European have tried to move towards other approaches and are returning to the idea that population wide restriction are necessary.

Lockdown enthusiasts? Our most restrictive measures in march were in places for 7 weeks (29 March - 18 May) and the less restrictive level 5 restrictions were in place for 6 weeks (21 October - 01 December), of course thats not to mention the original recommendation was for 4 weeks.

No one likes living with restrictions but most people understand the risks so it not accurate to say that a large percentage were totally against them. It quite clear the restrictions have made a significant difference in slowing the growth and bringing down the numbers. It was hoped the numbers would be lower going into Christmas but the situation would have been worst if we hadn't gone to Level 5.

If coronavirus had been allowed to spread without restriction, it would have cause economic and social misery including death and serious illness for many people. Its a pretty sh**ty situation, all the same, but you can't evaluate the economic impact without considering what would likely have happen it we never implemented restrictive measures.

- To illustrate the point, the many retailer such Penney's closed in mid-March before NPHET advised the Government to bring in restrictions on the 29th March. If NPHET had never made the recommendation and Covid-19 spread, its likely more business would have followed suit and closed anyway.

SB79 · 15-12-2020 1:12pm

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

The reason you didn't heard of the National Public Health Emergency Team, is because we didn't have an "Public Health Emergency". We are dealing with a global pandemic, whether you like it or not.

What alternative approach would you have preferred? The do-nothing approach hasn't worked out very well for the UK or Sweden. The United States followed suit and no reasonable person could suggest their winner.

What exactly is flawed about the approach? it has reduce the amount of virus in the community, slowed the spread, minimising deaths and is buying us time until we get a vaccine for the virus? Other countries in European have tried to move towards other approaches and are returning to the idea that population wide restriction are necessary.

Lockdown enthusiasts? Our most restrictive measures in march were in places for 7 weeks (29 March - 18 May) and the less restrictive level 5 restrictions were in place for 6 weeks (21 October - 01 December), of course thats not to mention the original recommendation was for 4 weeks.

No one likes living with restrictions but most people understand the risks so it not accurate to say that a large percentage were totally against them. It quite clear the restrictions have made a significant difference in slowing the growth and bringing down the numbers. It was hoped the numbers would be lower going into Christmas but the situation would have been worst if we hadn't gone to Level 5.

If coronavirus had been allowed to spread without restriction, it would have cause economic and social misery including death and serious illness for many people. Its a pretty sh**ty situation, all the same, but you can't evaluate the economic impact without considering what would likely have happen it we never implemented restrictive measures.

- To illustrate the point, the many retailer such Penney's closed in mid-March before NPHET advised the Government to bring in restrictions on the 29th March. If NPHET had never made the recommendation and Covid-19 spread, its likely more business would have followed suit and closed anyway.

You sound as if your a staunch supporter of NPHET.

You are aware that the social and especially ecomomic consequences of lock downs will be felt for years to come and will be much more devestating than covid 19 ever will, and have and will have serious consequences for a large amount of the Irish public.

it's not quite clear whatsover that restrictions have made any significance difference, there was absolutely no need to this second lock down, cases havent reduced dramitically , meanwhile more people find themselves out of work, many permanent.

what you fail to mention is the severe lack of a proper track and trace system, rapid mass testing, the blame game from NPHET,pubs and travel have bore the brunt of this without any evidence being produced, schools are a big source of infection but overlord Holohan cant be seen to be wrong and they are still open when in fact they should have remained closed,but this doesnt suit NPHET's flawed narrative, i dont ever recall a large amount of medical professionals ever calling for an organisation like NPHET to be disbanded but this is what happened but has fallen on deaf ears, they are it would appear immune to any sort of criticism, they are an unmitigated nightmare and should be disbanded with immediate effect.

Holohan is a lock down fanatic, he thrives on doom and gloom and misery every single day.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/new-health-group-calls-for-nphet-to-be-disbanded-39748003.html

SB79 · 15-12-2020 1:37pm

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1214/1184337-claremorris-national-school/

So there's an outbreak in a school, one of many, the principal quite rightly decides to close the school and is subsequently overuled by the department of education, the majority of parents of the children quite rightly decide to keep their kids at home, now if this was any other place like say a church, bar, restaurant, derpartment store, construction site, etc,etc then NPHET would be the first to come out and demand they close with immediate effect due to the outbreak, but not a word out of them about this, why, because Holohan and Glynn are on record as saying that schools are safe enviroments and not a source of infection, and they absolutely cannot be seen to be wrong.

Meanwhile Holohan continues on his daily crusade of misery and dictates to the nation ,mainstream media are spinless and he gets an easy ride, never are any hard questions put to him about anything at all,he is by all accounts immune to critcism.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/nphet-not-anticipating-advising-against-schools-reopening-after-midterm-1.4393146

OwenM · 15-12-2020 1:44pm

SB79 wrote: »

You sound as if your a staunch supporter of NPHET.

You are aware that the social and especially ecomomic consequences of lock downs will be felt for years to come and will be much more devestating than covid 19 ever will, and have and will have serious consequences for a large amount of the Irish public.

it's not quite clear whatsover that restrictions have made any significance difference, there was absolutely no need to this second lock down, cases havent reduced dramitically , meanwhile more people find themselves out of work, many permanent.

what you fail to mention is the severe lack of a proper track and trace system, rapid mass testing, the blame game from NPHET,pubs and travel have bore the brunt of this without any evidence being produced, schools are a big source of infection but overlord Holohan cant be seen to be wrong and they are still open when in fact they should have remained closed,but this doesnt suit NPHET's flawed narrative, i dont ever recall a large amount of medical professionals ever calling for an organisation like NPHET to be disbanded but this is what happened but has fallen on deaf ears, they are it would appear immune to any sort of criticism, they are an unmitigated nightmare and should be disbanded with immediate effect.

Holohan is a lock down fanatic, he thrives on doom and gloom and misery every single day.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/new-health-group-calls-for-nphet-to-be-disbanded-39748003.html

The problem with NPHET is asymmetrical risk. Zero covid, zero deaths and they smell of roses, economy and society be dammed.

The politicians are snookered because the media drive fear with click bait articles. RTE also doing pretty well out of this with advertising revenue from all the radio and TV covid warnings. Micheal Martin, the great prevaricator, is not showing leadership but that's to be expected from him.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/steve-silvermint-isnt-divisive-hes-indecisive-26617247.html

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-31005407.html

“Indecisive, that is Micheál’s biggest problem, he can’t make a decision and won’t make a decision and he analyses everything to the point of almost having to bring in a consultant to analyse his analysis,”

JimmyVik · 15-12-2020 1:47pm

SB79 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1214/1184337-claremorris-national-school/

So there's an outbreak in a school, one of many, the principal quite rightly decides to close the school and is subsequently overuled by the department of education, the majority of parents of the children quite rightly decide to keep their kids at home, now if this was any other place like say a church, bar, restaurant, derpartment store, construction site, etc,etc then NPHET would be the first to come out and demand they close with immediate effect due to the outbreak, but not a word out of them about this, why, because Holohan and Glynn are on record as saying that schools are safe enviroments and not a source of infection, and they absolutely cannot be seen to be wrong.

Meanwhile Holohan continues on his daily crusade of misery and dictates to the nation ,mainstream media are spinless and he gets an easy ride, never are any hard questions put to him about anything at all,he is by all accounts immune to critcism.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/nphet-not-anticipating-advising-against-schools-reopening-after-midterm-1.4393146

You have a point there.
They are being less than forthcoming with their data on schools.
Its almost like they dont want the public to see it.

SB79 · 15-12-2020 1:48pm

Just one of many things Tony Holohan has lied about and being called out on, but as ever a wall of silence.

NPHET are not to be trusted whatsoever under any circumstances.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/operator-rejects-claims-by-dr-tony-holohan-that-car-parks-are-full-1.4417015

Loafing Oaf · 15-12-2020 1:51pm

SB79 wrote: »

You sound as if your a staunch supporter of NPHET.

You are aware that the social and especially ecomomic consequences of lock downs will be felt for years to come and will be much more devestating than covid 19 ever will, and have and will have serious consequences for a large amount of the Irish public.

Can I have a lend of your crystal ball?

November Golf · 15-12-2020 2:02pm

SB79 wrote: »

You sound as if your a staunch supporter of NPHET.

You are aware that the social and especially ecomomic consequences of lock downs will be felt for years to come and will be much more devestating than covid 19 ever will, and have and will have serious consequences for a large amount of the Irish public.

it's not quite clear whatsover that restrictions have made any significance difference, there was absolutely no need to this second lock down, cases havent reduced dramitically , meanwhile more people find themselves out of work, many permanent.

what you fail to mention is the severe lack of a proper track and trace system, rapid mass testing, the blame game from NPHET,pubs and travel have bore the brunt of this without any evidence being produced, schools are a big source of infection but overlord Holohan cant be seen to be wrong and they are still open when in fact they should have remained closed,but this doesnt suit NPHET's flawed narrative, i dont ever recall a large amount of medical professionals ever calling for an organisation like NPHET to be disbanded but this is what happened but has fallen on deaf ears, they are it would appear immune to any sort of criticism, they are an unmitigated nightmare and should be disbanded with immediate effect.

Holohan is a lock down fanatic, he thrives on doom and gloom and misery every single day.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/new-health-group-calls-for-nphet-to-be-disbanded-39748003.html

Firstly if anything a staunch supporter of public health because you can't run an economy without it.

Clearly you didn't bother to read what I wrote, your assertions about social and economical consequences are not based in logic and completely omits the reality of what happened back in March. People had lost jobs and businesses closed before NPHET made the recommendation to stay at home. There is no reason to believe that would not have continued as the coronavirus spread throughout the population without mitigation.

Given that only about 1% of the population have been exposed to Coronavirus and a significant amount of those people are still suffering the consequences up to 6 months after the infection, its would have a devastating impact to multiple that by 100. If a large portion of the labour force were to get seriously illness from covid, the country would absolutely never have recovered.

The best hope of the country recovering both socially and economically is with a population in good health.

We have many emergency teams in this country and NPHET are just one. Calling to disband them is a stupid idea and if your GP is on the list, you should definitely be looking for a new doctor.

bucketybuck · 15-12-2020 2:13pm

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

and a significant amount of those people are still suffering the consequences up to 6 months after the infection, its would have a devastating impact to multiple that by 100.

I assume you mean economic consequences from losing jobs, as that is the only thing that would have any factual basis.

OwenM · 15-12-2020 2:39pm

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

Firstly if anything a staunch supporter of public health because you can't run an economy without it.

Clearly you didn't bother to read what I wrote, your assertions about social and economical consequences are not based in logic and completely omits the reality of what happened back in March. People had lost jobs and businesses closed before NPHET made the recommendation to stay at home. There is no reason to believe that would not have continued as the coronavirus spread throughout the population without mitigation.

Given that only about 1% of the population have been exposed to Coronavirus and a significant amount of those people are still suffering the consequences up to 6 months after the infection, its would have a devastating impact to multiple that by 100. If a large portion of the labour force were to get seriously illness from covid, the country would absolutely never have recovered.

The best hope of the country recovering both socially and economically is with a population in good health.

We have many emergency teams in this country and NPHET are just one. Calling to disband them is a stupid idea and if your GP is on the list, you should definitely be looking for a new doctor.

1.5% that we know of, the unavailability of test in March/April/ means the true figure has to be much higher. The WHO pull figures out of the air as well, recently stating they estimate 50 million people in the US have probably been infected, 1 in 7 of the population.

As for long covid, there have been no quantitative studies of any kind in Ireland describing how many people have it and for how long so any decisions based on it are not evidence based.

SB79 · 15-12-2020 3:41pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Can I have a lend of your crystal ball?

anyone who doesnt believe this deluded.

Loafing Oaf · 15-12-2020 5:44pm

SB79 wrote: »

anyone who doesnt believe this deluded.

Well if you're that definite, can I borrow your DeLorean?

McHardcore · 17-12-2020 6:28pm

Do people here not actually know what NPHET do and are still asking for them to disband?

SB79 wrote: »

I'll be honest i dont think i ever heard the name NPHET until this pandemic and im sure many were the same

No, not many were the same, everybody were the same. NPHET for covid did not exist before the pandemic. NPHET for covid were created at the start of the pandemic to direct, oversee, and provide advice across the health service and the wider public service to deal with Covid.

It consists of representatives from the Department of Health, HSE, GPs and multiple other Irish health and expert groups.

OwenM wrote: »

The problem with NPHET is asymmetrical risk. Zero covid, zero deaths and they smell of roses, economy and society be dammed.

That's not their role. It is up to the government to take NPHETs recommendations and weigh it against economy, society, or whatever other pertaining issues. They don't have to listen to NPHETs advice all the time, a right that they have exercised multiple times during the pandemic.

We are experiencing a national and international health emergency. We are doing well here: Through the work of NPHET, the government, and the people of Ireland, we have brought the case numbers down to a level lower than most of our European neighbours. It is ridiculous to suggest that the government not listen to and disband the group of Irish doctors and health experts during a goddam national health crises.

Captain_Crash · 17-12-2020 7:10pm

McHardcore wrote: »

NPHET did not exist before the pandemic. NPHET were created at the start of the pandemic to direct, oversee, and provide advice across the health service and the wider public service to deal with Covid.

NPHET was established in April 2019 to deal with a separate issue. It’s pure pot luck this happened within a year of thier creation! Their initial terms of reference were.....

“NPHET will manage the response to the CPE emergency at national level and provide reports to the Minister for Health”

McHardcore · 17-12-2020 7:27pm

Captain_Crash wrote: »

NPHET was established in April 2019 to deal with a separate issue. It’s pure pot luck this happened within a year of thier creation! Their initial terms of reference were.....

“NPHET will manage the response to the CPE emergency at national level and provide reports to the Minister for Health”

A NPHET for CPE was created in 2019. A NPHET for covid was created in January this year. Il correct my post.

iffandonlyif · 18-09-2023 8:06pm

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/i-went-too-far-taoiseach-apologises-to-dr-tony-holohan-for-angry-comments-during-pandemic/a536961980.html

Varadkar apologies for his comments of three years ago in which he said the members of NPHET would not face being furloughed by their decision to lock down, a perfectly reasonable remark about incentives and priorities.

How is our government still beholden to that group of hyper-conservative medical bureaucrats?

Bass Reeves · 18-09-2023 8:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127564#Comment_121127564

Varadker was right to apologize. As he said he made a mistake that time and what he said was too personal. However he did say that the NPHET advice changed and was leaked to the press before the government was briefed. Even Tony Holohan acknowledged that in his book

However there is a lot of people alive today because of the actions taken by both the government and advice from NPHET. We had one of the lowest excess deaths of any country and our economy recovered faster and better than most other countries.

Was there mistakes made yes but we made a lot less than other countries. Leo Varadker acknowledges that there was mistakes made in certain parts of the lockdown in construction, schools especially special schools being closed too long. But overall as a country we did well and Dr Holohan did the state some service at a time when he had other personal issues in his domain

PommieBast · 18-09-2023 9:10pm

Not sure I want to open old wounds by looking up stats but for people of my age group and younger wrecked lives and livlihoods probably killed more people than Covid itself.

gormdubhgorm · 18-09-2023 9:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127764#Comment_121127764

I can make up 'probably's' as well, just to make myself feel better and blame something or someone else.

But I won't. However, remember the covid still effects the elderly and those with underlying conditions (of all ages) far more than other age groups of the general population. You should show more respect to be honest.

bucketybuck · 18-09-2023 9:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127764#Comment_121127764

The NPHET groupies don't give a single **** about the younger generation.

What also isn't surprising is this quote from Varadker:

Mr Varadkar added that the terms of reference for the Covid-19 inquiry are being drawn up

In other words they have no interest in their bullshit being brought into the light and any enquiry will remain on the long finger.

Fuck the lot of them.

Bass Reeves · 18-09-2023 9:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127764#Comment_121127764

I find that fragile individuals always remain fragile and always blame something for there inability to deal with life.

prunudo · 18-09-2023 9:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121127764#Comment_121127764

I hesitated replying to this, because I don't ~~know if I~~ want to go down this rabbit hole again. But we locked down far longer and far stricter than we needed to and plenty of mistakes were made. Young people, actually people under 50 were totally disregarded, their opinions and wellbeing pushed to the side lines.

Many industries were closed for far longer than was necessary. The way expectant fathers and families of elderly/sick parents were treated is shocking and frankly inhumane. The over zealous policing, treating people like criminals for being 2.5km from their house or on an empty beach or mountain, when it transpired a lot of the rules were only advisor and not law.

I thought we'd moved on but its clear that many would lap it up again in the morning.

Have NPHET lost the attention of people?

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