Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

Danzy · 10-09-2023 07:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121091495#Comment_121091495

Would Varadkar and especially Martin let him run with that though

whelan2 · 10-09-2023 07:40AM

Don't think there'll be a retirement/ get out scheme. Milk supply is falling naturally itself and if a get out scheme comes in too many would exit.

jaymla627 · 10-09-2023 07:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121091521#Comment_121091521

Election coming up and alot of ill-will across all farming sectors for the current government, if they aren't bothered about the rural vote and have already planned on losing td's in strong farming constituencies at the next election well and good, but if they still want to buy our votes they'll have to pony up money...

Ifa are protesting ff/fg this week at their "think-ins", very unusual to see the above, but in fairness its needed they seem to have zero intrest in the agricultural sector anymore and the various ag lobby groups have no more power over government policies anymore

jaymla627 · 10-09-2023 08:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121091552#Comment_121091552

If the truth be told tirlain are the only co-op a drastically reduced milk supply could sink because of debt levels, the other co-ops would probably consolidate and be fine.....

The quick win government could achieve by a reduction scheme re green-house gas emissions is the only reason it would go ahead and maybe try and buy a few votes for the next election...

Dairy farmers by our nature would loathe to get out of cows, even where age is a issue and no successor a carrot is needed to get a good % drop in cow numbers quickly, rather then natural wastage

straight · 10-09-2023 08:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121091603#Comment_121091603

Whelan is right. Too many would get out and the soft jobs would be affected. Alot of lads sick of it after this year. Re the IFA, I don't know why they are bothering to protest now when it's all just too little and too late like their derogation protests after the decision was made.

awaywithyou · 10-09-2023 09:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121091603#Comment_121091603

was talking to a chap that is on the board of ICOS 3 wks ago... i raised the point of ICOS coming out against a funded retirement/cow reduction scheme.. he said there wont be a cow left in the country if it comes in.... definitely lads that are 60+ with no successor will pull the plug... and there are many others who are sick of dealing with co-ops... sick of the govt and EU and the stupid rules coming in every year... that will also pull the plug...

ginger22 · 10-09-2023 10:12AM

If the government brought out a proper beef and dairy retirement there would be plenty land available for the remaining victims.

daiymann 5 · 10-09-2023 10:26AM

Im a first time poster and have been reading the thread.Im also a large dairy farmer my observation of whats going on in dairy is the general farming community hates dairy farmers.Dairy farmers have been putting beef sheep and tillage farmers of rented ground for years.ifa have helped this by farm partnerships where large farmer sons daughter can get entitlements as new entrant or partberships. Huge grants hav been given for past 10 years to make farms biggers.Grants were given for huge parlours and sheds on the basis of rented leaded land this land is now unaffordable and uneconomic to rent so just like all the suckler units built during celtic tiger on grants there will be some white elephants around the country soon.Dairy farmers wil get no support from fellow farmers look at last weeks protest iv seen more at a calf sale hardly goin to put fear into the government id say all that were ther were on salaries macra ifa icsa

GrasstoMilk · 10-09-2023 11:09AM

The protest last week wasn’t meant to be a big protest. They were showing there unhappiness with the government by boycotting the talk

Mondays one is a proper protest

give out about Ifa all you want but this government just doesn’t give a shite about farmers. We’ve a minister that didn’t tell us the truth about the deal he made on the dero. He dropped the ball the day he agreed to a midterm review. And then strung us along making us believe maintaining 250 was doable

daiymann 5 · 10-09-2023 11:35AM

The percentage of farmers in derogation is very small there mostly big greedy farmers who no one cares about there a nuisance everyone is sick of them were there any small farmers at last weeks protest

Mooooo · 10-09-2023 11:54AM

Troll away I spose

cute geoge · 10-09-2023 12:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121092103#Comment_121092103

Thats a lousy response for your 2nd post ever .Plenty of small farmers will be effected ,lads milking 30 cows on 28 acres etc.

The big problem will be if level drops below the 220 .This is why the protesting is important where will the nitrate cuts stop

daiymann 5 · 10-09-2023 12:03PM

I take it ur a small farmer is there anything im saying is not true ive a large area of land never went beyond 170kg if i did id have to start falling out with my neighbours to rent land and im glad i never did i cud easily of rented any amount at 200 to 300 an acre when quotas went id have had to put in a larger parlour employ extra staff build more sheds bigger milk tank and id be now facing rents of 400 to 500 an acre to keep the show on the road or cut back

daiymann 5 · 10-09-2023 12:06PM

A come on any lad milking that number of cows on that acres is dreaming any blip in growth and hed be in trouble hed be better in a job an acres sheep beef

mahoney_j · 10-09-2023 12:10PM

Begrrudgery and bitterness is rife here I tell ya

GrasstoMilk · 10-09-2023 12:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121092103#Comment_121092103

Are you not a big dairy farmer yourself ?

I may be wrong but most farmers in dero are small ones

GrasstoMilk · 10-09-2023 12:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121092215#Comment_121092215

How would you be falling out with neighbours ? Everyone is free to rent what land comes available

around here it was always the tillage farmer that paid the higher money

there was countless farms I was after that I lost out to a tillage farmer on but I never begrudged them getting it.

Jack98 · 10-09-2023 12:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121092238#Comment_121092238

from reading your posts here you’re setup would be typical of many dero farmers operating at a high stocking rate but doing so to cover buying land, infrastructure etc as many dero farmers are…not everyone was gifted with a massive block of land like the poster you replied to and never had to push on numbers to make things viable.

awaywithyou · 10-09-2023 12:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121092224#Comment_121092224

are u john gibbons????

daiymann 5 · 10-09-2023 12:37PM

Many farmers inerited large farm like me im happy with my lot dont feel the need to keep 25 percent extra cows and get all worked up protesting and the likes if im told to reduce