Would Varadkar and especially Martin let him run with that though
Don't think there'll be a retirement/ get out scheme. Milk supply is falling naturally itself and if a get out scheme comes in too many would exit.
Election coming up and alot of ill-will across all farming sectors for the current government, if they aren't bothered about the rural vote and have already planned on losing td's in strong farming constituencies at the next election well and good, but if they still want to buy our votes they'll have to pony up money...
Ifa are protesting ff/fg this week at their "think-ins", very unusual to see the above, but in fairness its needed they seem to have zero intrest in the agricultural sector anymore and the various ag lobby groups have no more power over government policies anymore
If the truth be told tirlain are the only co-op a drastically reduced milk supply could sink because of debt levels, the other co-ops would probably consolidate and be fine.....
The quick win government could achieve by a reduction scheme re green-house gas emissions is the only reason it would go ahead and maybe try and buy a few votes for the next election...
Dairy farmers by our nature would loathe to get out of cows, even where age is a issue and no successor a carrot is needed to get a good % drop in cow numbers quickly, rather then natural wastage
Whelan is right. Too many would get out and the soft jobs would be affected. Alot of lads sick of it after this year. Re the IFA, I don't know why they are bothering to protest now when it's all just too little and too late like their derogation protests after the decision was made.
was talking to a chap that is on the board of ICOS 3 wks ago... i raised the point of ICOS coming out against a funded retirement/cow reduction scheme.. he said there wont be a cow left in the country if it comes in.... definitely lads that are 60+ with no successor will pull the plug... and there are many others who are sick of dealing with co-ops... sick of the govt and EU and the stupid rules coming in every year... that will also pull the plug...
If the government brought out a proper beef and dairy retirement there would be plenty land available for the remaining victims.
Im a first time poster and have been reading the thread.Im also a large dairy farmer my observation of whats going on in dairy is the general farming community hates dairy farmers.Dairy farmers have been putting beef sheep and tillage farmers of rented ground for years.ifa have helped this by farm partnerships where large farmer sons daughter can get entitlements as new entrant or partberships. Huge grants hav been given for past 10 years to make farms biggers.Grants were given for huge parlours and sheds on the basis of rented leaded land this land is now unaffordable and uneconomic to rent so just like all the suckler units built during celtic tiger on grants there will be some white elephants around the country soon.Dairy farmers wil get no support from fellow farmers look at last weeks protest iv seen more at a calf sale hardly goin to put fear into the government id say all that were ther were on salaries macra ifa icsa
The protest last week wasn’t meant to be a big protest. They were showing there unhappiness with the government by boycotting the talk
Mondays one is a proper protest
give out about Ifa all you want but this government just doesn’t give a shite about farmers. We’ve a minister that didn’t tell us the truth about the deal he made on the dero. He dropped the ball the day he agreed to a midterm review. And then strung us along making us believe maintaining 250 was doable
The percentage of farmers in derogation is very small there mostly big greedy farmers who no one cares about there a nuisance everyone is sick of them were there any small farmers at last weeks protest
Troll away I spose
Thats a lousy response for your 2nd post ever .Plenty of small farmers will be effected ,lads milking 30 cows on 28 acres etc.
The big problem will be if level drops below the 220 .This is why the protesting is important where will the nitrate cuts stop
I take it ur a small farmer is there anything im saying is not true ive a large area of land never went beyond 170kg if i did id have to start falling out with my neighbours to rent land and im glad i never did i cud easily of rented any amount at 200 to 300 an acre when quotas went id have had to put in a larger parlour employ extra staff build more sheds bigger milk tank and id be now facing rents of 400 to 500 an acre to keep the show on the road or cut back
A come on any lad milking that number of cows on that acres is dreaming any blip in growth and hed be in trouble hed be better in a job an acres sheep beef
Begrrudgery and bitterness is rife here I tell ya
Are you not a big dairy farmer yourself ?
I may be wrong but most farmers in dero are small ones
How would you be falling out with neighbours ? Everyone is free to rent what land comes available
around here it was always the tillage farmer that paid the higher money
there was countless farms I was after that I lost out to a tillage farmer on but I never begrudged them getting it.
from reading your posts here you’re setup would be typical of many dero farmers operating at a high stocking rate but doing so to cover buying land, infrastructure etc as many dero farmers are…not everyone was gifted with a massive block of land like the poster you replied to and never had to push on numbers to make things viable.
are u john gibbons????
Many farmers inerited large farm like me im happy with my lot dont feel the need to keep 25 percent extra cows and get all worked up protesting and the likes if im told to reduce
They are a wind up.
No who is john gibbons
Did you send on the wording of the recent Ifa protest posters?
Sorry i dont understand
If you're going to protest and get signs printed, might be time to sack the printer
Who do they represent they look like a group of old age pensioners with only on guy in the middle id say hes in his 50s.
Well you’re very lucky so. Not everyone is in the same position as you
What's your opinion of Macra?
Are you pleased with the new president?
Dont follow macra much but last president was very gd.The lady now seems to be gd so far.
She hasn’t a clue. Was on RTE radio One during the week and couldn’t tell the presenter what effect it was going to have on a 100 cow farm
