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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Innovation and intelligence. Hopefully taking many Russians and/or their supply depots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Sickening.

    People both here/on the internet in general though will somehow defend the above. Remember Russia doesn't target civilians /s.

    The market was the HQ for Ukrainian N**Zi's or some other such nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    I don't think anyone would defend that on here unless Mick Wallace signed up. I keep hearing this it's like some people are reading things that don't exist..

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,070 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It wouldn't be directly defended. It would be blamed on a stray Ukrainian missile or that there was a military target there. Such lies have been posted on the forum about previous Russian atrocities such as MH17 and other atrocities such as Bucha, Mariupol theatre, hospital attacks, railway station attacks. Or an attempt would be made to "both sides" it, or somehow pin some moral culpability on Ukraine for not surrendering. There is no lie, no false excuse, no strategy however morally or intellectually bankrupt that pro-Russians / anti-Westerns won't reach for.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,141 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    7kg mines dropping from the sky on Russians has a nice ring to it.

    21st century molotovs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,454 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    There's been plenty of videos where there's a group of Russians, but the drone only has small grenades, so the damage in minimal, that mine looks ideal for those situations.

    All they need now is rigging up NLAW's or stingers to drones to extend their range.

    This war has shown how important drones are and not just recon or suicide ones, but ones that are cheap, reusable and armed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,327 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    That looks like a serious threat.

    There are millions of mines in Ukraine, which can be turned against the Russians given they have the fuses and drones to carry them.

    Nice work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    @Wolf359f I recently saw a Ukrainian drone with an ATGM launcher attached.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,713 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Senator who is cool with white supremacy, is bottling up promotions in the US military to the point that the military are raising a big fuss, now blames US for the RuZZian invasion of Ukraine, calls Ukraine the 51st state. Seems suspicious.

    Tovarisch Tuberville. Moron Kudlow lets this crap go unchallenged, too



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,742 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Why do they do this? I mean deliberately targeting civillian targets, hospitals, schools housing. It's counterproductive just ramping up the will to fight back, wastes ammunition that might be used against real military targets. Simply a poor use of resources and a source of anti Russian feeling around the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    They do it because they are evil. Some voices are saying it is simplistic to say Ukrainians are good and Russians are evil. Not so. They are evil. Their official war doctrine permits and encourages all kinds of evil.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭thomil


    Three reasons from what I can see:

    • Cruelty/Terror Campaign - Russia has fallen into the same trap that pretty much every major belligerent power in WW2 also fell into, namely the belief that you can destroy a population's will to resist by sheer terrorism. It didn't work for Nazi Germany, it didn't work for Japan, it didn't work for the Soviets, and it certainly didn't work for the British or US. Yet, it's an easy story to present to the home-front, a way to get back at "them." The fact that Russian society in general places little value on the lives of innocents doesn't help.
    • Lack of good intel/targeting data - Ukraine has been pretty good at thwarting Russian intelligence operations on their territory. Ukraine is also pretty good at OPSEC, and pretty much dominate the info / online space, leaving Russia only with its own limited orbital and airborne reconnaissance assets. This has left Russia with a "targeting vacuum", as while they might be able to approximate the position of a SAM site by triangulation of intercepted radar signals, once that site goes dark, they'll be blind. And there's no guarantee that this intense radio source blasting away at regular intervals is really the location of a divisional HQ, or just a remotely located transmitter.
    • Lack of Precision Guided Munitions (PGM) - Russia used a large portion of its modern guided missiles in the early stages of the war. While low level production of these modern weapon does seem to be continuing, it is nowhere near enough to replenish Russian stocks. This is why we're seeing S-300s used in their ground attack mode, or the difficult to intercept but by its very nature inaccurate Kinzhal hypersonic/ballistic weapons. At this point, Russia needs to preserve its remaining precision weapons for high-value targets, which means that for pretty much everything else, they're left with weapons that are considered accurate when they hit in roughly the same post code as the intended target.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Thank you

    A better explanation then I could have articulated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I always knew that Tommy Tubberville was a total clown, but his thoughts (if you can call them that) on Ukraine and the way he expresses himself leave me almost speechless. He makes Moscow Mick look almost reasonable.

    How can guys like this get elected, even in Alabama?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,742 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    The first one seems to be the main reason the other two aren't so deliberate. Still even the first isn't that logical unless the other side is attacking your civillians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    It's now a stalemate war of attriction west has to commit more or Russia will start to incorporate captured territory into a more impenetrable buffer.

    30 km in 3 months is almost there.

    They have done a lot and more than expected but an aggressor that fires missiles repeatedly at civilians and infrastructure MUST be stopped Russia needs to be dismantled.

    NATO no fly zone and black sea patrol under UN excluding vetos from any country not condemning this unjust war boots on the ground is going to happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭thomil


    The issue is that we're not dealing with a logical actor here. Russia is leading this war out of a sense of injured pride, fanaticism, delusions of greatness and a manic desire to gain/regain that greatness. For them, anyone who stands in their way is an enemy, whether they're twenty-five and sitting in a Leopard 2, seventy-six and just trying to find some affordable bread in the market, or twelve years and on their way to school. They're obstacles to that sense of national greatness that Putin and his regime are yearning for, and in their mind, that justifies any actions taken against them. In a sense, they're more like ISIS than a nation sate in their actions. That's also why negotiations with Russia are pointless.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭amandstu




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭Economics101


    No, but a one-party system is. Do I really need to say this?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭amandstu


    A two party system encourages unquestioning support of one camp over the other.

    People are elected not on their merits but because they are identified as one of us rather than one of them.


    This destroys political discussion and tears society apart.

    One party systems also destroy democracy.

    That does not mean that two party systems do not also do this.


    We are watching it in action as America cannot function as a whole .

    And ,obviously on this island as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    Often the issue is that third parties (Russians, the media etc) use propaganda to spread discontent. I am becoming increasingly suspicious of Sky News. All they seem to want to do is attack everything.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes , its pure evil and they do it because they are losing the war and know it so they lash out in all directions now. Last gasp of a dying wasp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭jmreire


    America has managed to get do far up its own ass, its no longer sure which is up, down, left right or sideways. like a crazy gyroscope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    It's been confirmed Russian drones crash landed inside Romania. It's time to call Putin's bluff and invoke article 5.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    I think it is also a desire to bully Ukraine into submission. If they invade Ukraine (they won't at this stage) they would face a huge insurgency problem that would go on indefinitely. They want to avoid this by spreading terror to make Ukrainians submissive, like Russians.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    That's not a reasonable response as it was clearly an accident. Countries don't go to war over that. Best solution is for NATO to respond by sending more air defence systems to cover the south of Ukraine from these attacks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,349 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I think it is the way they fight wars (that at least partly accounts for it). They haven't gone all in on air power and precision weapons the way the US has, don't have the technology or capability.

    When they go to war, they do alot of bludgeoning almost everything within range of their artillery and missiles and bombs (e.g. look at what has happened to parts of Ukraine where they can bring the full weight of their weapons to bear, some of the aerial video and photography is shocking; turned them into moonscapes that will take years to make habitible again).

    I think it is what they did in Syria and what they did in Chechnya long before that, but this is of course on a far bigger and more serious scale, more destruction and likely far more deaths caused when that can finally be tallied.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Like a moron running into a field of cattle and scattering them across the ditches into the neighbouring fields and neighbouring parishes.

    It's to terrorise the population into fleeing the country and put humanitarian pressure on the neighbouring countries that would be enemies of Russia and destabilise the governments and society and bring anarchy.



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