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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Not sure if its true or not, but would not be surprised if it was true as women have always played their part in wars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I take it from your language that you are not a fan ...... but anyway, do you seriously believe that for all of its history, it has been the same as it is now under Putin?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    There are not many examples in history of Chinese command and control capabilities being tested in the field. In fairness to give them credit the Chinese are well down the warmongering league table. Notwithstanding their repression of minorities and regions within China. They are effective at turning tanks on their own defence less people and we have seen examples of that. And their command and control is very effective at covering such things up and re- writing history. Their greatest military legacy thus far is the defensive fortification of the historic Great Wall. I think the last proper military campaign the CCP engaged in was a short lived invasion of Vietnam in 1979.

    Post edited by 20silkcut on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭pcardin


    Just like @correct horse battery staple predicted a week ago. Lol, these pro-ruSSian clowns are so predictable. 🤣



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    I think you might be selling Chinese military history a little short there if all you know about is the Great Wall. Unless you were just being facetious



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,966 ✭✭✭thomil


    His point is legitimate when it comes to modern combined-arms battles. Up until the 1970s and 1980s, the PLA was all-in on the Soviet approach to warfare, i.e. massive numbers of soldiers given cheaply mass-produced equipment and put under an extremely centralised and politically sanitized command structure, with little room for personal initiative or tactical freedom on a small-unit scale. Since the early 2000s, the PLA has been introducing equipment that allows local commanders and even individual soldiers a lot more situational awareness, but it remains unclear how leadership has adapted to that, if at all.

    Now granted, China does have a massive and nearly unbroken military tradition going back millennia. This nation literally wrote the book on the art of war (Sun Tsu, anyone?). However, the last time the PLA saw large scale combat was during the Sino-Soviet border wars in the 1960s, and its invasion of Vietnam in the late 1970s. The "modern" PLA does not have the same wealth of experience that the US or even UK has. And while I do believe that senior commanders are pretty capable and well trained, the question is how things look on a battalion, brigade or company level. And we simply do not know that.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,546 ✭✭✭yagan


    China's number one national stance is not letting a repeat of the century of humiliation and Russia is one of those global powers that interfered.

    Russia committing hari kari with its invasion of Ukraine does nothing to alter China's defense posture. As for Taiwan western powers must also acknowledge that they gave up supporting the ROC territorial claims decades ago.

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    The areas claimed by Taiwan are actually greater than that of China.

    Edit to add that unless there's legitimate links any China speculation can be described as Russian desperation.

    Post edited by yagan on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Somebody had posted recently, Ukraine testing dropping a 7kg mine from a drone. Well it didn't take them long to be put to use:




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Innovation and intelligence. Hopefully taking many Russians and/or their supply depots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Sickening.

    People both here/on the internet in general though will somehow defend the above. Remember Russia doesn't target civilians /s.

    The market was the HQ for Ukrainian N**Zi's or some other such nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    I don't think anyone would defend that on here unless Mick Wallace signed up. I keep hearing this it's like some people are reading things that don't exist..

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,085 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It wouldn't be directly defended. It would be blamed on a stray Ukrainian missile or that there was a military target there. Such lies have been posted on the forum about previous Russian atrocities such as MH17 and other atrocities such as Bucha, Mariupol theatre, hospital attacks, railway station attacks. Or an attempt would be made to "both sides" it, or somehow pin some moral culpability on Ukraine for not surrendering. There is no lie, no false excuse, no strategy however morally or intellectually bankrupt that pro-Russians / anti-Westerns won't reach for.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,500 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    7kg mines dropping from the sky on Russians has a nice ring to it.

    21st century molotovs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    There's been plenty of videos where there's a group of Russians, but the drone only has small grenades, so the damage in minimal, that mine looks ideal for those situations.

    All they need now is rigging up NLAW's or stingers to drones to extend their range.

    This war has shown how important drones are and not just recon or suicide ones, but ones that are cheap, reusable and armed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,322 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    That looks like a serious threat.

    There are millions of mines in Ukraine, which can be turned against the Russians given they have the fuses and drones to carry them.

    Nice work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,857 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,857 ✭✭✭zv2


    @Wolf359f I recently saw a Ukrainian drone with an ATGM launcher attached.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,484 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Senator who is cool with white supremacy, is bottling up promotions in the US military to the point that the military are raising a big fuss, now blames US for the RuZZian invasion of Ukraine, calls Ukraine the 51st state. Seems suspicious.

    Tovarisch Tuberville. Moron Kudlow lets this crap go unchallenged, too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,069 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Why do they do this? I mean deliberately targeting civillian targets, hospitals, schools housing. It's counterproductive just ramping up the will to fight back, wastes ammunition that might be used against real military targets. Simply a poor use of resources and a source of anti Russian feeling around the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,857 ✭✭✭zv2


    They do it because they are evil. Some voices are saying it is simplistic to say Ukrainians are good and Russians are evil. Not so. They are evil. Their official war doctrine permits and encourages all kinds of evil.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,966 ✭✭✭thomil


    Three reasons from what I can see:

    • Cruelty/Terror Campaign - Russia has fallen into the same trap that pretty much every major belligerent power in WW2 also fell into, namely the belief that you can destroy a population's will to resist by sheer terrorism. It didn't work for Nazi Germany, it didn't work for Japan, it didn't work for the Soviets, and it certainly didn't work for the British or US. Yet, it's an easy story to present to the home-front, a way to get back at "them." The fact that Russian society in general places little value on the lives of innocents doesn't help.
    • Lack of good intel/targeting data - Ukraine has been pretty good at thwarting Russian intelligence operations on their territory. Ukraine is also pretty good at OPSEC, and pretty much dominate the info / online space, leaving Russia only with its own limited orbital and airborne reconnaissance assets. This has left Russia with a "targeting vacuum", as while they might be able to approximate the position of a SAM site by triangulation of intercepted radar signals, once that site goes dark, they'll be blind. And there's no guarantee that this intense radio source blasting away at regular intervals is really the location of a divisional HQ, or just a remotely located transmitter.
    • Lack of Precision Guided Munitions (PGM) - Russia used a large portion of its modern guided missiles in the early stages of the war. While low level production of these modern weapon does seem to be continuing, it is nowhere near enough to replenish Russian stocks. This is why we're seeing S-300s used in their ground attack mode, or the difficult to intercept but by its very nature inaccurate Kinzhal hypersonic/ballistic weapons. At this point, Russia needs to preserve its remaining precision weapons for high-value targets, which means that for pretty much everything else, they're left with weapons that are considered accurate when they hit in roughly the same post code as the intended target.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Thank you

    A better explanation then I could have articulated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,575 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I always knew that Tommy Tubberville was a total clown, but his thoughts (if you can call them that) on Ukraine and the way he expresses himself leave me almost speechless. He makes Moscow Mick look almost reasonable.

    How can guys like this get elected, even in Alabama?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,069 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    The first one seems to be the main reason the other two aren't so deliberate. Still even the first isn't that logical unless the other side is attacking your civillians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    It's now a stalemate war of attriction west has to commit more or Russia will start to incorporate captured territory into a more impenetrable buffer.

    30 km in 3 months is almost there.

    They have done a lot and more than expected but an aggressor that fires missiles repeatedly at civilians and infrastructure MUST be stopped Russia needs to be dismantled.

    NATO no fly zone and black sea patrol under UN excluding vetos from any country not condemning this unjust war boots on the ground is going to happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,966 ✭✭✭thomil


    The issue is that we're not dealing with a logical actor here. Russia is leading this war out of a sense of injured pride, fanaticism, delusions of greatness and a manic desire to gain/regain that greatness. For them, anyone who stands in their way is an enemy, whether they're twenty-five and sitting in a Leopard 2, seventy-six and just trying to find some affordable bread in the market, or twelve years and on their way to school. They're obstacles to that sense of national greatness that Putin and his regime are yearning for, and in their mind, that justifies any actions taken against them. In a sense, they're more like ISIS than a nation sate in their actions. That's also why negotiations with Russia are pointless.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭amandstu




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