Russia - threadbanned users in OP

storker · 04-09-2023 10:18AM

Update on the wing tyres: Will is saying that they're more likely to be some form of pattern-disrupting camouflage paint.

https://youtu.be/YKbQLp8_AjA

josip · 04-09-2023 10:20AM

WarGonzo is reporting Ukrainian advances towards Ocheretuvate. Ocheretuvate is on the T0401, the main road linking Tokmak and Polohy.

https://goo.gl/maps/ifHhzi5AfR7MWCZX8

These are two of the major towns behind the front line in the south. How important would that road be up to now for the Russian logistics? I assume it would not have been mined up to now because the Russians need it for their own troop and equipment movements. If the Russians continue to lose ground, they must at some point decide to mine the road. But that will inhibit their own movements and how much mining could they do with the front line advancing closer. Or would they rely on artillery to control the road?

Field east · 04-09-2023 10:21AM

Would it not be easier for the next plane taking off not be able to manoeuver it’s way in and out between the tyres - especially if it’s in a hurry ?…????????

breezy1985 · 04-09-2023 10:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066777#Comment_121066777

Harder to hit if they zig-zag 🤣

storker · 04-09-2023 10:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066754#Comment_121066754

Leaving them on there during Take off? wow they couldn't be that stupid could they?

It's hard to imagine and my tongue was in my cheeek when I typed that, but when you consider...

Low Russian morale and unmotivated ground crews
Pilots who may not be able to see the wing from the cockpit (although they should be doing a pre-flight walk-around which would catch it).
The fact that a number of air accidents have been caused by crew omitting critical checklist items e.g. Northwest flight 255 in 1987

... it remains unlikely, but not impossible.

(Unless of course there are no tyres and it really is just paint.)

zv2 · 04-09-2023 10:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121065432#Comment_121065432

Oh right. I just read the headline.

zv2 · 04-09-2023 10:55AM

Surrender seems to be more the fashion these days

https://twitter.com/UkraineDiary/status/1698635158088216966?s=20

jmreire · 04-09-2023 11:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121065690#Comment_121065690

God help any Russians trying to lay mines now between 2nd-3rd defense lines, if any of them are within range of Ukrainian cluster bombs...there would be more cleared than new ones laid I'd say.

Dohnjoe · 04-09-2023 11:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066755#Comment_121066755

Haven't watched the video, but these look like tires to me

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1698302027552436366/photo/1

pcardin · 04-09-2023 11:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067021#Comment_121067021

as we know, thinking is not a popular exercise between ruSSians. 🤪

Padre_Pio · 04-09-2023 12:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066755#Comment_121066755

Strange why wouldn't they paint the whole wing?

josip · 04-09-2023 12:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067308#Comment_121067308

Maybe because then the effect would be lessened and the aircraft shape would again stand out.

But I think these are real tyres and not camouflage, performing a similar role to cope cages. I expect it's not a big job for them to remove them before they take-off and the Tu-95 should be sturdy enough to withstand the tyres/boots.

Furze99 · 04-09-2023 12:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066959#Comment_121066959

Save your skin, what's the point of dying or being mutilated for some distant f****rs in Moscow or those giving orders from well behind the lines?

silverharp · 04-09-2023 12:52PM

Based on this the tires argument looks stronger

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1698302030370972098

Dohnjoe · 04-09-2023 01:01PM

It's the Russians, their front-line troops had medical kits from WW2, their maps of Chernobyl were from 1985 and pre-dated the accident, they are currently hoisting Pantsr's onto old Soviet missile towers (like the German Flak towers)

Let's put it this way, I wouldn't be surprised if they are lobbing tires onto planes to make them more "drone proof".

Economics101 · 04-09-2023 01:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066754#Comment_121066754

Speculating about possible Ukrainian false flag ops to drag NATO into the fray? Leave the false flag stuff to the Russians: they are world champions at that, if at nothing else.

JimmyChew · 04-09-2023 02:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067686#Comment_121067686

I agree. But a battle weary Commander with control over a group of men and some equipment/artillery/drones of Russian origin could cause unwelcome issues. I'm not saying this could come from the top and upon investigation the route cause would be quickly identified but stranger things have and will happen over the next few months.

Dubh Geannain · 04-09-2023 04:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066772#Comment_121066772

The area just to the north of that village became a greyzone on August 27th (according to and only according to Liveuamap), the same time as it was reported that Ukrainians made gains towards it.

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1695821179632685548?s=20

It's worth pointing out that it's a major outlier on the map front (being 6 kms further south than the DeepState map for example. Still, another village has entered my daily word search. There'd be some serious rejigging of maps if it was close to accurate though 😂

zv2 · 04-09-2023 04:07PM

Helicopter pilot

https://twitter.com/NakedPueblo63/status/1698456164340564233?s=20

RoyalCelt · 04-09-2023 04:20PM

Another KA52 helicopter gone. Russia confirmed it crashed in the sea of Azov and the pilots were rescued. These must be an endangered species by now.

Seen a lot of videos lately of Russians in the Novoprovka or whatever it's called getting hit hard by artillery and drones. It's pretty clear why Ukraine haven't just continued to advance. Russia has been sending lots of reinforcements and the place is infested like tics.

They're probably happy to pick them off in big numbers before going for another push.

TedBundysDriver · 04-09-2023 04:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066754#Comment_121066754

Possibly but i can't see Ukraine trying something like that now it looks like they are making slow progress after a frustrating few months. Wouldn't say there is zero chance of it though.

Edit: I see the Minister of Foreign Affairs Dmytro Kubala stated that Ukraine has photo evidence of the fall of Russian drones on the territory of Romania. Very interesting. Someone is wrong.

RGARDINR · 04-09-2023 04:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067484#Comment_121067484

Kind of like tanks in WW2 when they would place logs onto the sides of their tanks so might take a round from another tank or bazooka rounds. So I presume this is the same thinking.

thomil · 04-09-2023 04:36PM

These Ka-52 losses really puzzle me. Those are some of Russia's most advanced combat helicopters, and they're not exactly bad either. These aircraft were designed before the T-14 & Su-57 phase of Russian defense procurement, so they're solid designs with decent production numbers. And yet, they seem to be dropping like flies. According to Oryx, 40 aircraft of the type have been lost so far during the war, out of a total production run of 190 or so.

Hande hoche! · 04-09-2023 05:04PM

With the KA52 imagine the increased activity is taking a toll on them. Together with smarter use of the anti aircraft assets on the part of the UAF. One suggestion was greater use of RBS-70s rather than over reliance on Stingers.

The KA52 would seem to be one of the more effective bits of equipment in the Russian arsenal. Can see even greater losses if the counter offensive ramps up its momentum.

thomil · 04-09-2023 05:20PM

That would explain it alright. Increasing activity, an effective weapons platform, and a recognized threat. Getting deployed in an environment where there's no real air superiority isn't helping either, I presume. While Ukraine isn't doing much in the way of air-to-air, at least not much that gets out, the Russian Air Force isn't really active either, at least not over the immediate combat zone, which means that Ukrainian SAM assets can operate more freely than you'd otherwise think, which probably isn't doing wonders either.