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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,865 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I think you described it very well when you said "...at will, now and again..." Yes, they can fire missiles whenever they want, but they don't have enough to use them regularly. They seem to only now use them in petulant retaliatory strikes against civilian population centres. Usually in response to Ukrainian strikes against airfields, Kerch bridge etc. They definitely don't have enough of them to achieve any military objective on the battlefield.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭zv2


    150 to 200 per week. I'd say the American satellites have a lot to do with it.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,226 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Doubt it. Lots of Tory "rats leaving the sinking ship" over the last year thanks to the disastrous polling outlook for the party.

    He also announced he is leaving politics when his term is up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,552 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    And the new Defence Minister is ... Grant Shapps, he of the multiple identities and get rich quick pyramid schemes. Words fail me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭thomil


    I think that's still a widely underappreciated aspect of this war. Ukraine is basically able to tap into all but the most sophisticated recon assets of the western world, whether directly, or by regular sanitized reports. Those long-endurance drone and manned ELINT & SIGINT assets that were a a staple during the early days of the war are still there as well, and you can bet that a lot of the stuff they pick up finds its way to AFU headquarters ASAP. This is a massive advantage for Ukraine, and they've been utilizing it to the fullest from what I can see.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Yeah basically. Saturate the warzone with artillery, rinse, repeat. A deeply static doctrine that has revealed itself to the world as woefully out of date against a more mobile & cannier opponent. And one embracing the new technical frontier. Russia has effectively bared its backside to the world and there'll be a LOT of war games suddenly reassessed to factor in a Russia who can't properly prosecute a war in the 21st century, against a vaguely equal opponent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭AlanG


    I'm no supporter of Russia but people need to be realistic. it still has massive natural resources, a huge military industrial base, no election cycle, little pushback form most of the worlds countries and the support of China which wants access to those natural resources and arctic shipping routes. European governments have already changed their tone on Crimea and they know this will end with diplomacy. Comparing Russia now to Germany 1944 is not analogous. Unless Putin or the Chinese gov falls, there will certainly be negotiations before any NATO tanks or F16s enter Crimea. From some of the posts here you would think the the UA are releasing accurate figures on RA casualties. If so they would be the first army in the history of mankind to do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,473 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Which governments have changed their tone on Crimea?

    And when you state NATO tanks or F16's entering Crimea.... what's that all about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,580 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I seen a video a while back showing a train in Russia transporting artillery towards Ukraine. They were older systems that need twice the crew to fire half the shots in double the time and had a reduced range.


    I haven't seen any videos lately showing the type of weapons being transported but considering the claimed losses I'd love to. Long may the trend continue.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Don't think so, just he didn't get the NATO position he was expected to be given, so standing down from government instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Anywho back in the real world it is a serious cause for optimisation that Ukraine can now strike so far inside Russian territory with extreme accuracy on such a regular basis. Taking the battle to Russia's front door is the only way i can see discontent growing against the Moscow dwarf and a possible overthrow.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The use of drones also means it gives Ukraine something important with these attacks: precision. I said it ages ago that I reckoned were Ukraine to directly attack russian soil it'd erode the moral support - but I had spoken from the PoV of conventional attacks with their army, not drones. Bombings or artillery strikes imperfect and "hammers" that would only kill civilians en masse.

    These cardboard drones allow the fight to be brought to Russian logistics, without causing the overspill or casualties seen with "dumb" weapons and that's a huge factor IMO. Aircraft and logistics burn while (AFAIK) apartments and civilian infrastructure stays intact. Of course it helps that Ukraine doesn't actually want to terrorise or kill ordinary Russian citizens, which helps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,163 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    As well as that they are not just symbolic... they are taking out Russian assets that will be difficult to replace, and forcing Russia to redeploy more assets to deep defence.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Tbh i take all stats during a war from both sides with a massive pinch of salt. Russia will provide false figures, Ukraine will do likewise but what is without any doubt whatsoever is that this war is taking a terrible toll on both nations and unfortunately many many innocents are dead, injured or displaced.

    What worries me greatly is how the war itself has become a side issue and non talking point for many compared to the early weeks and months of the conflict. It's understandable in a way as people just get on with their lives but some times i need to pinch myself to be reminded there is a full scale war ongoing in Europe in 2023 that has no end in sight.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Of course it's a win win, it's just i think Russian citizens seeing the death and destruction in front of their very eyes might just wake them from a slumber and have more of an effect than the actual destruction of military assets. Unfortunately sanctions haven't produced the effect one would have wanted at the speed one would have wanted so this is a good thing. Let's hope the west can up their game in regards supporting this route.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,038 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    In the vein of being realistic, a reminder that Russia has the GDP of Italy, a rapidly sliding national currency, and significant cracks showing pretty much everywhere. It's a very expensive war of choice for them, not to mention while being sanctioned to the hilt, hundreds of billions of their assets under lock and key, and their untrained 40 yr old frontline troops with 50 yr old equipment are now in a battle of survival rather than invasion, with a sea of mines doing most of the heavy lifting. With explosions now happening in Moscow, the "special faraway operation" is coming home to roost, the optics of which probably aren't going to sit well with most Russians no matter how indoctrinated they are.

    They are on more of a timer than they were in the past.

    I haven't see any chance of stance on Crimea from Europe?

    Everyone ultimately expects the war to end or stalemate or freeze in some sort of talks, that's a given, the Arabs and others were speculating as soon as this winter, but ultimately it's up to the Ukrainians, and they are still gradually taking portions of their land back, whilst we see Russian mil bloggers losing it that Russian troop morale is dropping like a stone.

    We know from leaks within Russia (e.g. payments after combat deaths) that significant numbers of Russian troops have died and been injured. Ukrainian figures for Russian dead are very optimistic, let's put it that way, but they aren't completely ridiculous. In 10 years in Vietnam, the US lost around 50k men, from estimates, Russia is at about 2 and a half times those figures in just a year and a half.

    Of course to mention things are extremely difficult and challenging for the Ukrainians and indeed they have lost significant numbers of troops, but their existential battle for their national survival is a little different from Moscow's "poor people being paid to die in a hole" war.

    I don't expect Putin to fall or be replaced, but it looks like they are going to have to make or be forced to make uncomfortable choices they certainly didn't envision in 2022 with their "3 day" operation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭thomil


    I don't think that Ukraine are looking to deliberately stir up discontent among the Russian populace, although they clearly don't mind if that's a byproduct of their strikes. From what I can see, these strikes have two broad aims:

    • Force Russia to redeploy its limited air defense and anti-drone assets across a wider area, thereby reducing the "density" of SAM/AAA and anti-drone cover over crucial bits of their supply & military infrastructure.
    • Force the redeployment of key logistics & military assets farther away from the Ukraine operational area, thus further weakening the already shaky supply lines.

    Earlier in the war, Ukraine already managed to force Russia to redeploy a lot of its Tu-95 long-range bomber force away from their regular bases to operating sites up on the Kola peninsula or close to the Ural mountains. The recent drone strike on Soltsy air base that saw the destruction of yet another Tu-22M3 bomber will probably not have helped matters either. While this in itself doesn't eliminate the threat posed by these bombers, it does drastically increase the difficulty Russia faces when conducting bomber or ALCM strikes against Ukraine, especially since Russia has also moved the launch areas for ALCMs as far back as the Caspian in order to not endanger their limited number of strategic bombers.

    Now, you could obviously point at the drone strikes against high-rise buildings in and around Moscow as a counterpoint, since those are very definitely civilian buildings. However, from what I've seen in the public domain, which admittedly isn't much, it appears as if those drones suffered guidance failures, possibly because of GPS jamming, which caused those drones to stray from their initial targets, which were likely military targets in the Moscow region, of which there are many. What's more, the most recent series of strikes would seem to indicate that Ukraine has found a way to mitigate these jamming efforts, since a lot of those seem to have found their mark.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,607 ✭✭✭rogber


    Absolutely, hitting inside Russia hard and often is important.

    Having said that, another BBC article today points a depressing picture of the mood inside Russia, the predictable mix of apathy, indifference, fear and even "I was against the war, but now that it's happened I don't want Russia to lose either" idiocy. A mood of mass uprising still seems a long way off




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,577 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    What's mindboggling about it?

    Ukraine have more modern artillery than Russia. It's more accurate, can shoot further and they have the benefit of access to US satellite intel (as well as their own surveillance drones) to identify the location of Russian artillery pieces. It'd be mindboggling if they weren't taking out high numbers of Russian artillery.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,112 ✭✭✭thomil


    What's more, a lot of the NATO standard equipment used by Ukraine was designed for this kind of work: Highly efficient, precise strikes against a numerically superior enemy. You just need to look at the type of combat environment these systems were originally planned to be used in, namely a conventional land battle on the North German plain, along the open river valleys in Bavaria or in the Fulda Gap. NATO forces would be facing a numerically superior force coming at them, while air superiority couldn't necessarily be guaranteed. Therefore, it was important for western artillery forces to pinpoint hostile artillery or other assets quickly, get a precise strike off as soon as possible, and then vacate the area immediately to avoid counterbattery fire or other surprises coming their way. This is exactly the combat environment we're seeing in Ukraine, and a combatant equipped with weapons designed for that environment, with proper tactical awareness and access to a wealth of reconnaissance and intelligence data will be able to exploit this advantage. Ukraine is doing just that.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Maybe, maybe not. Hitting Moscow on a regular basis is key for me as to bringing it to the front door and waking the masses. Yeah it's a dodgy road and could easily backfire but i think when push comes to shove Moscow citizens would rather see Putin gone than be dragged into the conflict.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,191 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Regarding the second paragraph - this happens with every single war if it runs for long enough. Let's use an analogy:-

    If a man loses an arm in accident, for the days, weeks and months afterward, the lost arm is forefront in his mind. It may consume pretty much all of his waking thoughts as he has to deal with the grief of losing it, with relearning how to do a lot of tasks he used to take for granted and any treatment the wound requires. But as months turn into years, he comes to accept it somewhat. He learns to live with it as best he can. At some point, he must focus on other aspects of his life. It's not that he no longer deals with the lost arm, but more of it becomes automatic and routine. This doesn't mean, however, that he wouldn't happily accept a new arm, if that became a possibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,724 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The modern Russian Federation is now sanctioned away from legal access to Western markets, and replacement parts. They have few avenues left to sell anything from those natural reasorces you mention, and extraction operations have to rely upon (in many cases) Soviet-era engineering that are in constant need to maintainence with parts they have often lost the capacity to machine themselves (or ironically used Ukraine for).

    Their military base has been shown to be rotten to the core and is now primarily manned by untrained civilians that they have pressed into service with poorly maintained Soviet surplus materielle. Their airbases are now even being threatened by drones made of cardboard. Cardboard!

    They are primarily cut off from most of their traditionally lucrative markets. Europe is progressivly weaning itself off of Russian gas while the NordStream pipes may well be destined to the scrapheap. China might want access to the Arctic shipping route, but they couldn't care less if a weakened Russia was bordering it. If anything, they'd probably prefer that.

    Western nations have been stedfast in their support of Ukraine in reclaiming all of it's land from Russia (including Crimea) so I'm not sure *where* this "European goverments changing their tone on Crimea" notion is coming from. (Although I can take a guess).

    So, Alan, I'm curious. What kind "negotiations" do you feel should happen when a nation engages in a war of annihilation with it's neighbour and then starts to lose?

    • Should it be the terms of their total withdrawal from illegally occupied territories so that they won't lose what's left of their army?
    • Should it be scale of compensation due to Kiev for what the Russians have tried to do?
    • Or are you advocating for....*something else*?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Russia's population skews heavily towards their major cities, and Putin seems very hesitant to let the invasion affect those cities as it would undermine the lie that it's all going great. They were also reportedly having population issues before the invasion even started, and there has since been a mass exodus of people of mobilisation age trying to avoid being called up, to the point where they've had to change the law to increase the maximum age and to bar anyone in that age group from leaving the country.

    They need to keep their own country running too, while trying to scale up their wartime production as they're burning through ammo and equipment right now.

    They might be able to do another big mobilisation, and I'm sure they'll continue to quietly mobilise quite a few each month, but I don't think they really can afford to call up people on the scale that some fear without it being the beginning of the end for Putin.

    It's telling that each time they move troops around they have to make concessions elsewhere on the line, their numbers aren't limitless and the constant degradation of their equipment and forces these past few months is starting to create real dilemmas. Ukraine's growing ability to hit locations like Crimea, Russia and the black sea fleet with impunity and the slow uptick of progress on the frontline is testament to that.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,528 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,788 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Definitely seen some posts that were very pro putin that were deleted. Not sure if the term bot or putinbot is strictly defined but have seen some posters that seem happy to spread moskovyte propaganda and so they may have been flagged as spam and removed.

    Post edited by macraignil on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    also what user says and what user supports can get one or the other label. Usually pro-russian posters somehow manage to include pro-russian lines in almost every post they make and as typical would never thank any pro-Ukraine post. Instead their own posts are thanked by other pro-russian posters.



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