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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭yagan


    A neighbour was complaining about a favourite hotel in Killarney been taken over for Ukrainians, that we were doing too much.

    A neighbour who respects boundaries wouldn't even say such a thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Wes M.


    The war is deeply depressing now, more so than ever. Whatever objectives the Kremlin had in the weeks before the invasion, it seems the only plan now is to destroy Ukraine, whatever the cost. I saw some panelists on the Olga Skabeyeva show yesterday, salivating over Ukraine's natural resources and calculating their worth when they finally seize them, but I think this is all a side show for the viewers: I think Putin only wants revenge now for the humiliation Ukraine and the West have dished out. I read in The Times this morning that Moldova is watching the war with great anxiety now - their prime minister's thinking is that if Ukraine falls, Moldova, which has taken steps to break from Russia; expelling Russian agents, taking a Russian channel of the air (all to the dissatisfaction of the Kremlin) will be Russia's next target.

    You see so much flippant commentary on Twitter about Russia being finished, as if it's some punch-drunk fighter stumbling around the ring, but they remain deadly dangerous, and this is a fearful time for Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭AlanG


    It could be that Russia doesn't want to risk the neutral or positive view of it held by the 70% of the worlds population outside of Europe and NA. It is likely they will try to sustain something of a stalemate until the US elections and then review their tactics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Mr Bean did it?

    I feckin' knew it.


    He did play some James Bond type character once. Might have been his cover



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    Ukraine won't fall though, Russia are severely on back foot, matter of when not if war ends. Putin messed up big time with this invasion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭AlanG


    From a russian perspective the loss of men is something they are probably willing to take. The numbers sound unsustainable but the US suffers a similar number of deaths and injures from gunfire each year and they wont even change the laws in reaction so it is easy to see how a government can allow this to happen. The loss to the economy will depend on China, this is all playing into their hands. They will get more access to Russian raw materials and energy as things tighten. It's hard to see how a Russian collapse would serve their interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Easy to tell which side you're rooting for.

    In essence, what you are saying is that you would be much happier if the evil Russians were able to continue raping, torturing and killing Ukrainians. Well, may your depression continue to deepen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,194 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Not a particularly convincing argument. Countries lose sectors of their population year on year for various different reasons. That the country can sustain those deaths should not automatically mean that they can sustain a similar number of military dead per year because there are many factors to whether you can successfully prosecute a war including resources, supply of trained men, motivation and good tactics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,234 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well whatever about the Russian army it's clear the Putinbots have rallied from recent defeats and are on the counter offensive.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Yea but the stats in isolation don't tell the whole story either: Russia already a famously shrinking birthrate and population; the death rate supposedly quite startling too thanks to things like alcoholism and high suicide rates; mobilisation saw 300k (right?) men leave the country; COVID of course has its own moment to thin the population of fertile or working-age people. And with a crippled economy I don't think things are gonna get better. All these add up - and I haven't even mentioned the war dead. All this for a country 1/2 the population of America.

    America's gun deaths are at epidemic levels, no question, but contextual to the country's healthy demographics there's no critical problem relative to its economy and overall society. Christ they've had... 3, 4 wars since the USSR collapsed. Even militarily, there's a better institution that can sustain a war footing by dint of its stronger economy and more drilled, non conscription based armed forces. America could weather better than Russia ever can IMO.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    "We hear nothing"?? The article actually states Russia is losing much more men/women on the battlefield. Like did you actually read it?

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,613 ✭✭✭rogber


    Talk about stating the obvious.

    Of course the ideal solution would be for Russia to go home, war over. I never said anything different. But that's not going to happen with Putin in power. Hence as I said many times: he has to go, either through coup or assassination, I'd welcome either option.

    And the BBC article IS balanced, that's the whole point. As expected, the person has already been attacked by several people for posting it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Willfully ignoring the fact Russia is still a very strong fighting force is childish.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭Homelander



    There is a limit to the number of men and material you can lose in a modern war. Manpower alone isn't worth much past a certain point without the necessary training, equipment and logistical support.

    The limit for Russia is lower than Ukraine which is literally fighting for survival against an invading army behaving like a barbarian horde.

    Russia cannot restock its military with tanks, artillery and other equipment with modern equivalents at the rate it is being lost. Their air force is barely even in the conflict for whatever reason.

    The Russia army was incomparably bigger and better equipped than Ukrainian army at the outset. Look at them now. It's broadly a 1:1 stalemate with Ukraine making some respectful gains and inroads that are certainly pressing Russia extremely hard.

    Russia cannot win the war. It's literally not possible. 18 months after their invasion they still only hold relatively small areas of Ukraine they didn't already control (Crimea, Donetsk/Luhansk) and the best and decent elements of their army have been destroyed.

    The war is over, the invasion was a colossal blunder that will go down with the biggest in history, but unfortunately a ton more people will die before Putin/Russia actually accepts that.

    If this was 1944 certain people in this thread would be saying "Germany is still very dangerous, and it's willing to sacrifice as many men as it takes, the USSR is going to suffer horrendous casualties" and "Everyone needs to sit down and talk peace to save Soviet lives".

    Germany hadn't the faintest hope by that point of anything other than eventual defeat. A staggering amount of the Eastern Front casulties happened between summer 1944 and May 1945, but there was zero question long before then of what the outcome would be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    There is zero point having a discussion with someone who thinks posting an article from the BBC is pushing Russian propaganda. Like do you ever listen to yourself?

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    You seem like a very angry person, there is zero need for cursing. I posted a link to a very good BBC article explaining the situation on the ground in invaded Ukraine. You went off on some rant about Russian bingo cards?? and propaganda. Look i'll leave you to it.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    I had great hope when wagner started stirring the vipers nest but that seems finished now Putin has killed the groups hierarchy and a coup looks a very long shot.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭yagan


    If Russia were doing well they'd have fox news reporters covering all the successes of their three day war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,234 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Lithuania and Ukraine not taking too kindly to Francis comments on the Russian Empire.

    "Ukraine, once part of the same empire, said the comments were "deeply regrettable". The Kremlin described them as "very gratifying"."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    The other way to look at that is Putin took the most compedient (I'm being generous) wing of his armed forces and it's now crushed.

    Russia may be a larger country but its not the Russian country fighting, its their army. Putin might replace its broken equipment with WW11 equipment, that really doesn't help much and replacing Russian troops with untrained and poorly motivate individuals will eventually. Is it different with UKR, yes it is. They don't have an endless supply of equipment but what's coming is superior to what they currently have and their armed forces are being trained by other countries. This has probably slowed the expected offensive, but UKR are fighting for their land, their parents, their children.

    Every UAF person has skin in the game, they fight so their parents can hold what they worked their life for. They fight so their children have a future and hope. With time Russia will do what its done in other countries it will slink back to its shrinking borders. But that's not the end of it.

    So why don't you report back to your superior comrade, tell them the game is up, because if we in Ireland know Russia is a joke, a mere shadow of its former self, then you can take it every other country in Europe knows it too. And the future ? well who knows, maybe a cold war starts where Europe continues sanctions until Russia buckles and starts paying for its illegal invasion for the rebuilding of Ukraine, what a total waste of Human life, decades of people lives will be affected. Any Russian should be totally ashamed of their country, will the penny drop and will Russian's start to demand change, well time will tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭yagan


    Add to that ukr has been fighting Putin's forces since 2014.

    For them this war is a almost a decade old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,194 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @Gerry T

    The other way to look at that is Putin took the most compedient (I'm being generous) wing of his armed forces and it's now crushed.

    Very generous. Wagner were alright when fighting poorly-armed African rebels. When it came to fighting a proper military, their best success involved slaughtering tens of thousands of barely trained convicts in a lemming meat assault and it took eight months and that battle is still ongoing. If that was their most competent force, Russia's ambitions in Ukraine are truly unobtainable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,551 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    These UAF deep strikes into Russia and occupied Crimea must be causing havoc with Russian logistics and personnel deployments. Its very clever stuff.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Great CNN interview with impressive Ukrainian former defence minister: he is totally rational, frank, seems very competent, and you don't get anything like this coming out of Moscow.


    Post edited by Economics101 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,039 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Ruble on the move again, back up to 96 RUB to the dollar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    that means this operation was successful and hurt them badly. Good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,744 ✭✭✭saabsaab




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭zv2


    ...

    tomorrow.jpg


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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