30k speed limits for all urban areas on the way

I get what you're saying, but I don't think they've actually tried. Like no government has ever made a REAL effort to get big mass transit project going in our cities. Luas was ok Low/Mid level tram project (rails on existing roads)

It's always been kicked down the road.

85% of drivers exceeding a 30kph limit - democracy in action.

Depends what they were asked and presented with.

If you offer experts a choice of A or B. Its misleading to argue none of them picked C afterwards. If you say journeys times from A to B are 15 mins. But neglect to mention thats on a Motorbike at 4am, not a car in gridlock on a monday morning for day clinics that open at 9am. Even with the help of such economy of choices half your international experts disagree with it. Massive campaign of experts against it. Was any one asked co-location at huge expense vs more beds and facilities? Must have forgotten to ask that one.

After all that they still choose "coincidentally" a location in a current politicians constituency not once but twice.

After all that you end up with a project thats projected to cost over 2 billion, and no end in sight with 27 beds out of 3000 completed by July 2023.

I guess there's only one question...how did that all work out...

Location is sort of important for a NATIONAL children's hospital. The site they chose was the most expensive and the least accessible for people outside Dublin. It also doesn't have facilities like sleeping quarters for waiting parents etc, because the site was so constrained.

And how much did it go over-budget by?

How many people "nationally" are near those terminals. How many people travel to hospital by rail?

For me to get to James by rail is at least an hour. I could cycle to it half the time. But I'm not bringing a sick child on a bicycle or to stand for an hour on overcrowded trains. And I'm regular user of both.

The issue before you derailed it, was urban traffic. If you create demand in already congested areas with a resource that's going to pull people from all over the country primarily in cars is only going to have one outcome. Never mind the cost of all that traffic.

I didn't derail (I see what you did there) anything. I didn't bring up the NCH. But if others are going to bring it up, I'll answer.

Pretty much the entire population is near a connecting station to one of those terminals. That's how rail networks work. You go to your nearest station, and get the train to your destination.

And yes, I'm sure there are some people who's medical conditions would mitigate against travel by public transport, but they would be in the minority. Hospitals in London and Paris operate with no private car access.

For the third time, the primary criteria in siting the hospital wasn't traffic. The primary criteria was the medical outcomes, which require colocation with a major adult teaching hospital. Do you want a hospital that's easy to get to, or a hospital that gets best medical outcomes? Do YOU know better how to locate a hospital than the expert, international members of the Dolphin committee?

By your logic Dublin patients have no problem if it was co-located in Tralee as they are all connected by train.

London and Paris have parking. I've been to both places and parked in them. These hospitals aren't new sites and aren't co located either. It's a disingenuous argument.

I know we'd have got better medical bang for buck, better outcomes, than spending 2 billion and rising, ending up with the same number of beds that we had 20 years ago but with a massive increase in population and queues for treatment.

I've had 20 years experience of bringing children to children hospitals. Never once were we referred to any resources of adult teaching hospital just up the road.

Well more the lack of enforcement.

Well, no, because it's a lot harder to get to Tralee by train from Sligo or Waterford than it is to get to Dublin by train from Sligo or Waterford.

GOSH does not have a car park, and seems to manage doing good work. I'm not the one being disingenuous here.

The cost arguments have little to do with the location arguments. Experience in bringing children to hospital is experience with one very small aspect of what makes hospitals work.

This is a classic 'windscreen view' of the world, one that only sees the world looks from inside a car, and can't contemplate the other options that lots of people use, here and abroad, without fuss or drama.

Windscreen view - 'just driving'; "the idea of taking their sick children chopping and changing from connecting trains and trams instead of just driving is bizarre in the extreme"