Spain - Women World Cup Champions - 1 week later. (How not to manage a crises)

I have sympathy for both because this fiasco has very little to do with either of them which I stated previously.

The now entrenched militancy they have both adopted has absolutely no reflection on what actually happened.

I don't see militancy on her side. She has just released a statement. He has threatened to sue her to shut her up.

Demanding his removal is not militancy?

Yes, and playing devils advocate….

He either got caught up in the emotions of the occasion and or maybe had a little too much to drink …

Rubiales is Spanish, his team just won a World Cup…. With him present…as the President of the Federation…..

was his behaviour appropriate ? No…

was it professional given he’s there in a professional capacity and not a fan ? No…

he didn’t commit a crime however, he just let the emotion of the occasion get the better of his judgement….and looked like a ridiculously overexcited needy teenage weirdo gimp in front of the world… totally inappropriate but nothing more, guy is an eejit, nothing worse.

ideally…. shake hands, smile… “ hey, you were brilliant, well done, you did your country proud, thanks for everything “

You might reflect on why you are in minority position in thinking he should retain his position.

What makes you think my opinion on the situation would be in the minority?

What he did was inappropriate, but by jaysus folks are way OTT in their analysis/take on it, which is if no surprise really… seemed nothing intentionally sexual what he did. He was giddy, excited, elated and it happened spontaneously for a split second. Had it been a man he did it too there’d be no story!!

So you think if in the man's world Cup if the fa president kissed a male player in the mouth, then made up the story that the male player gave consent, and then threatened to sue that player when he didn't back him up you believe there would be no repercussions? Are you serious?

then made up the story that the male player gave consent

How do you know he made the story?

He definitely says something to her before the kiss.

Again there is no room for the establishment of facts, straight to cancelation.

You can ignore the players and coaches all you want and their actions now to oust Rubiales. Sure, just handwave it away and pretend this is the majority position. The manager of the female team who is being offered a half a million euro conract is even against Rubiales now.

You may say you are involved in football but you are in dreamland if you think you could do the same without repercussions and losing your job.

Hey, he comes across as an abrasive prick. I get that. My point strictly relates to the actual incident.

Had he immediately been contrite and admitted what he did was inappropriate, albeit he didn’t mean it in any sexual way, would you still call for his sacking?

I think he is in the majority.

The same majority who know why elite female footballers don't get paid the same as male elite footballers.

The same majority of people who have no interest in womens football despite the massive amount of media exposure it has been receiving over the last 6/8 years.

The same majority who are getting very tired of the incessant accusations and constant whining about pay and conditions.

Don't get me wrong, on boards, he is in the minority, if fact one of the permanent residents here will be along shortly to accuse the poster of being a rape apologist or some such nonsense, ,but in the real world he is in the majority.

He apologised the day after. So no.

So you just completely disregard what she actually says?

You said you firmly believe the players had no problem with it until it was created. I demonstrated that your belief is without foundation - the players clearly had massive problems with the way they were being treated, culminating in the events of recent days.

You speak of if women’s football want parity with men’s football the professionalism has to be there, but women aren’t responsible for the professionalism not being there - Rubiales and the Spanish Football Federation are responsible for the way they have acted wholly unprofessionally, and now they’re being held accountable for it.

Yes btw - suffer, because that’s what happened, and the fact that you think the only thing that matters is their success in football which you attribute to Rubiales, is frankly neither here nor there. It’s irrelevant.

I didn't see that in the women's gaa final this year. Maybe it's a new thing. The perks of being an administrator I suppose.

This planting kisses on lips of teammates happens, but not at all frequently. It’s a bit weird if ya ask me. Wee bit too personal.

Ah I think the case is wrapped up now. Despite the fact the lady said she did not give consent, didn't like what he did and the players are now going on strike to get rid of Rubiales., its ok as Scholes kissed Neville back in the day.

You are forgetting the backdrop to this, there was a lot of people in Spanish Football who wanted to see the ladies team fail and by extension the manager and FA.

I imagine this also contributed to his exuberant celebrations.

As a matter of interest would you have done what he did when you were involved in football? Would you think that was acceptable?

I don't really she how this hypothetical is relevant or helpful.

But I suppose if I was responsible for championing the ladies team in terms of conditions, pay and parity and under immense pressure from people in my own country and footballing community who hoped to see me fail and we won the first every international tournament, the elite one I would probably have gone bananas TBH.

All your posts are defending this guy and the only time recently you mention the female player was to cast doubt on her statement on the kiss.

I'm not defending anyone, I'm giving my honest opinion as I see it. Which I am actually entitled to, even if you are trying your best to shut it down.

The reality is this guy is cancelled, it's only a matter of time before it's official.

We are running out of witches, Klopp picked a female coach up earlier and gave her a bear hug, it is only a matter of time before he is up in front of the mob.

He is not being cancelled. He is reaping the consequences of his actions. He has achieved alot with women's football but has been pretty bad for the men's team so I would say that will have a bigger effect on his future career prospects if he is sacked.

You complain about hypotheticals but then compare this case with a hypothetical future action against Klopp??

No Klopp literally picked a woman up several feet off the found and bear hugged her.

That is not hypothetical.

There is people this very thread who have stated that is invasion of privacy and should not happen.

He is not being cancelled. He is reaping the consequences of his actions.

Ah he is yeah. If he lasts until Friday I'll be shocked, the sponsors have spoken.

It was the same with Greenwood at United, their investigation found he did not do what he was accused of doing and was to be reintegrated into the squad, sponsors said no. Gone.

Edgelords gotta edgelord.

Its a bizarre take to be whining about "cancelling".

Some people just refuse completely to accept any responsibilities. I can see why Rudiales (and Greenwood) would appeal to certain types.

But it’s quite clear the players did have problems with the way they were being treated, contrary to your belief that they had no problem with the latest incident until in your opinion it was created.

Created by whom? Because Hermano can hardly be accused of not knowing the circumstances involved, as you tried to do earlier by way of dismissing anyone who didn’t share your perspective.

The kiss as I said earlier, was just the straw that broke the camel’s back, after a culmination of being treated like crap. The idea of trying to distract from that by pointing to the idea that without Rubiales they wouldn’t be as successful as they are, and they’ll go back to where they were without him, is no different to an abuser telling their ex the same thing.

You’re implying it’s the players who weren’t behaving professionally as the men’s game, but it’s Rubiales and the Spanish FF who have shown themselves to be incapable of behaving professionally when it comes to the women’s game. The point was made earlier and it still stands:

Speaking on the Spanish broadcaster Cadena Ser, the presenter José Luis Sastre hinted at a double standard at play. “In the hundreds of celebrations that we’ve seen between Rubiales and male players, he didn’t grab any of them by the head in order to give them a kiss without asking.”

Video from the celebrations also shows Rubiales kissing other players on the cheeks and embracing them.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/aug/21/luis-rubiales-kiss-outrage-spanish-football-fa-president-womens-world-cup-final-spain-jenni-hermoso

The kiss as I said earlier, was just the straw that broke the camel’s back, after a culmination of being treated like crap

You keep saying that without citation.

The current FA brought womens football in terms of conditions and pay up to the same standard as the men.

They just won their first ever tournament, the literal World Cup.