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Heavyweight Boxing

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    #11642
    selectamatic
    Registered Users Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Dubois simply ran outta steam like a lot of Usyk opponents do imo. Looked well shook starting the 9th.



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    #11643
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,570 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Usyk was by far the better boxer but that wasn't a low blow so the question has to be asked if his weakness has been found. They talked about him having trouble with it in the past. It looks like he still has a problem and its going to be targeted every fight from now on.



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    #11644
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,650 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Not sure a weakness. It was a very clean and heavy shot. Likely hurts many. Question more to do with its legality.



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    #11645
    Manuel Warm Giant
    Posts: 0 ✭ Manuel Warm Giant


    How did Joshua do against Usyk to the body in their two fights?

    I honestly can't remember.



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    #11646
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,650 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032170#Comment_121032170

    He had success, but not to the point where Usyk was in a bad way. Usyk is 215-220 lbs and AJ 250. Body shots that land hard/clean bound to hurt.

    Post edited by walshb on


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    #11647
    evolvingtipperary101
    Registered Users Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032170#Comment_121032170

    AJ never troubled him in any serious way. Usyk handled him easy.



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    #11648
    selectamatic
    Registered Users Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032143#Comment_121032143

    Beterbiev had him down in the amateurs from a body shot. A digging right hook iirc.

    Not every fighter can throw such shots though.



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    #11649
    Hoboo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    I actually thought Usyk was half decent after Joshua. Fury would take both if they did alternate rounds.

    Was lucky tonight, he was done.



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    #11650
    Manc-Red_
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭Manc-Red_


    Usyk easily won on points and worked to get that stoppage against more than decent opponent imho.

    But Usyk didn’t look the genius he’s meant to be there and he’s open to shots that a really good opponent could take.

    We have to mention that Usyk most likely would have lost to that shot and as much as it hurts me to say it - Fwank was right at the end there, hometown decision for a man that by rights must fight Dubois again if he’s a decent Boxing man.

    Usyk other than that deserved to win but Dubois can hold his head high there imho.

    Interesting times ahead and Usyk looked pretty average and a fight against Fury tonight for me would have seen a loss imho.

    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



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    #11651
    ebbsy
    Registered Users Posts: 6,745 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032005#Comment_121032005

    I have to agree with that

    Dubois was outboxed

    Then he gave up



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    #11652
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,570 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032292#Comment_121032292

    It doesn't matter how good or bad Dubois was, and he was bad. He was robbed by a shot on the belt being called a low shot. It wasn't a low shot and it wasn't even close. I thought watching it live that it wasn't low but not certain by any means. All the replays clearly shoe t wasn't a low shot.



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    #11653
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,539 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032123#Comment_121032123

    I don't think he was getting up

    You could see from the splut sec9nd the shot landed he was in big trouble, how he went down & how he was on the floor I genuinely don't think he could get up ,

    It was an absolute cracking shot



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    #11654
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users Posts: 8,744 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Jared anderson got a fifth round stoppage last night on the espn card, reading the report he landed over 70 body shots before going for headshots

    The internet isn’t for everyone



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    #11655
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    If the low shot had been deemed legal then Usyk was in huge trouble. I think he could have beat the count but not sure hed have been able to defend himself very well. That said the shot would have continued to hurt a lot afterwards and Dubois wasnt able to capitalise. By the time Round 9 came he was exhausted. He could have beaten that count but made a half assed attempted on 9. When the referee waved it off there wasnt much protest, I thought he should have been given the chance to continue. What a difference in refereeing compared to Fury Wilder.



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    #11656
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users Posts: 8,744 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    i don't think usyk would have been able to continue, did you see the hand shaking like crazy when he was down like the didn't have control over is body

    The internet isn’t for everyone



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    #11657
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,650 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032449#Comment_121032449

    It’s a moot point. He simply followed referee’s instructions. Some a the commentary screaming robbery is pathetic. Dubois quit!! Had a moment of real success, that was deemed ”illegal.” That was it!!!



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    #11658
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,501 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Initially didnt think it was low but on replay it caught the cup on the way up.

    Dubois' eye is knackered.



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    #11659
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,650 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032572#Comment_121032572

    His reaction, as well as where the shot landed looked much more like a blow in groin area as opposed to the usual crippling rib, solar plexus or liver shot. I have watched again. Thank god for the right outcome. Dubois a unified HW champ based off this one “illegal” shot is an absolute embarrassment

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    #11660
    Morrison J
    Registered Users Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    I think it was borderline tbh and don't really get the robbery claims. Shot looks like it lands pretty close to Usyk's bladder area. Doesn't help that the referee didn't outline what he was deeming as low before the fight.


    As for Dubois, quitting off of a jab for the 2nd time is not a great look.



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    #11661
    OmegaGene
    Registered Users Posts: 8,744 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032578#Comment_121032578

    maybe you deem it a moot point but it can still be a discussion for others to engage in, there's not much else going on in the division

    blueprint for fury has been laid out if he will take the fight early next year

    The internet isn’t for everyone



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    #11662
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032578#Comment_121032578

    Well it is fair to say that Dubois was very hard done by. If Usyk threw that would it have been deemed illegal? Underdogs away from home have these kinda things happen to them. But he didn’t go out any win it anyway and winded up going out so tamely



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    #11663
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,650 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Fury is quite a good digger to the body. Usyk would need to be very careful taking shots off 270 lbs here..



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    #11664
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,650 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032590#Comment_121032590

    He wasn’t hard done by. He still had chances to try win and he couldn’t.

    Seriously, far too much is being made of a shot that was deemed a foul.

    Usyk recovered and beat him up and then Dubois quit. Hard done by my arse!!!



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    #11665
    Morrison J
    Registered Users Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    Also for a thread of nearly 400 pages on probably the worst division in the sport there needs to be much more talk about Bakhodir Jalolov. Another 1st round KO last night. Only 29 so pretty young for a heavyweight and probably the best prospect in the division. Hopefully he gets a decent step up fight soon.



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    #11666
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,650 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032623#Comment_121032623

    Big monster. I think all wins of his (must be 10 at least) are KOs



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    #11667
    newhouse87
    Registered Users Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032586#Comment_121032586

    agree, the way usyk was breathing after the shot seemed more like a groin shot rather they a guy trying to catch his breath from being winded to the stomach. Dubois quit again, he will never amount to anything.



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    #11668
    The Nal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,501 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    This is a low blow

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    #11669
    Morrison J
    Registered Users Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032627#Comment_121032627

    Yes 13 wins, 13 KO's although all against puddings so far. Hopefully gets better matched asap



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    #11670
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,650 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032657#Comment_121032657

    Yep. Much clearer now. And referee acts in the moment. He hasn’t got replays and slo-mos to analyse.



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    #11671
    newhouse87
    Registered Users Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032657#Comment_121032657

    100%, part of the glove is below belt, **** clowns on ifl tv questioning usyks manager like children. He showed same pic. Frank warren is as likable as eddie.



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