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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,581 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    That was a well known technique for trying to spot IEDs during the Forever Wars, albeit the drone tech now makes it much easier. Great to see it working.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,708 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I very much doubt that he had anything on Putin or certainly it was not enough to bring him down otherwise Putin would not risk killing him. If he had something he should have ensured it would become public knowledge upon his demise. So either it was a grave error on his part or he simply had nothing


    I think his ego ultimately cost him his life in the end. He should have got the hell out of Russia when he had the chance and stayed out, instead he flew back and forth to Russia several times. I bet Surovikin is feeling lucky and relieved that he only got the sack



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭amandstu


    This is the country that they imagine Ukraine would want to be a part of were it not for the inconvenient Nazis in their midst?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,570 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Surovikin would want to stay very far away from any planes or windows.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,715 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    I reckon he's gone to South America to live the rest of his days and he wasn't killed in the crash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,570 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well that would be the Nazi thing to do.

    Of course in a political sense it doesn't matter if he is alive and hiding because it has all the same impact as if he was dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,209 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I doubt that would work, at least not with Ukrainians anyway....Wagner ( like Putin ) have more than burnt their bridges in Ukraine. We will have to wait and see what happens..in the past there're were plenty of instances of Wagnerite's attacking regular Russian soldiers, and how that's going to play out in future remains to be seen. For sure, there's no love lost between the two groups.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,570 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Outside of the Belorussian stationed Wagner trying another match on Moscow is there many possible flash points right now with Wagner most off the front lines ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    This hisbsecond jet had some odd flights but on the day of the crash it's last flight was from St Petersburg to unknown.

    Then today from Moscow to Azerbaijan.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,734 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Whispers emerging about this, big pace gain if true.


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭briany


    He would have had something that he thought was keeping him safe, and it would have been a little more than Putin giving him assurances to that end. It wouldn't make any sense otherwise. He was a man who'd been in and around warzones for years, leading a band of bloodthirsty mercenaries and avoided death throughout all of that, and isn't even to mention his previous stint in prison. He wasn't going to, due to ego or whatever else, suddenly cop the naiveté of a small child when dealing with Putin, who he'd just led a march against (or perhaps more accurately, Putin's military officials). He'd have known exactly how the man operates - he'd been around it for years, and was in a time when instances of people 'randomly' falling out of windows was at a real high. He'd have known full well to be highly wary for pretty much as long as Putin was in power. Therefore, my conclusion - the insurance policy he thought he had failed, and failed spectacularly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Doesn't seem likely that the Wagner force would have the cohesiveness & leadership now to have another march on Moscow.

    More likely revenge on chosen individuals and possibly domestic terrorism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,209 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I honestly don't know what's going to happen or what form it will take. There's posters on here who say that without Prigozhin, Wagner will just fall apart, seeing as they are basically just mercenaries', for hire to the highest bidder ( and could that be Putin now?) Or could the power behind Prigozhin ( for sure, there's some one there, behind the scenes.) emerge and hold the whole thing together? And of course, you will get some who were dedicated followers of Prigozhin, and will not take his death lying down. And these will be completely un-predictable. I would not be surprised to see many senior ( and not so senior) Russian officers and commanders taken out, especially if at any stage they had crossed Prigozhin. It goes without saying that if Shoigu or Gerasimov got in their sight's, it would be game over. They know only two well how things work in Putin's Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    Putin did a Michael Corleone , taking out the heads of the five families and thus consolidating his power

    he has probably guaranteed his chance of surpassing Stalin in terms of duration of power



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Wagner are, above all, soldiers of fortune. Some could possibly be paid off or else told to stay the F out of Russia. Worth remembering that Wagner got a good deal of its arms from the Russian government (remember Prigozhin ranting a few months ago about Moscow not sending ammo). Even if they had the gear, a good number of their men are over in Africa right now, so they've probably not got the petrol to get from there to Moscow, even if they wanted to. That's not to mention that Putin would be keen not to get blindsided twice by a stunt like that.

    No, I think it's fair to say that if this was a hit on Prigozhin, ordered by Putin, Putin will be getting little to no blowback directly from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,891 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Seems to be a little bit more momentum on the Frontline since Ukraine committed more brigades. Here's hoping they make steady progress!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Why are posting your opinion as fact when just a few posts ago your ask what is going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,151 ✭✭✭Lirange


    Certainly more plausible than reports from a couple of days ago that they were already on the outskirts of Tokmak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,864 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Seen today a few reports of Ukrainian gains in a number of different areas of the front. Nothing huge but it's been a while since I've seen this number all at once. Hopefully it's true and there's more to come.

    Also seen some analysis that the south is much drier and attacks might continue right into November. If that's the case Ukraine could have 2 more months to push on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I feel like I've heard these kinds of murmurs before, which then came to nothing, unfortunately. So although I hope for every success in terms of Ukrainian advances, I think it's best to just wait and see before getting too excited.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    That Hill 166 chatter is looking more promising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    I keep reading hill 166 as hill 16 by mistake. It mean they will do well there. 😊




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Addmagnet




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭rogber


    Of course, the guy is a joke. But he's still almost certainly going to be the nominee



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,361 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Zelensky awarding a 75 year old Japanese volunteer who came to Kharkiv at the beginning of the war and has been cooking free meals for the residents every day since.

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    "Fuminori Tsuchiko is a 75-year-old Japanese volunteer who has come to Ukraine since the beginning of the full-scale invasion to help those who had to live in the Kharkiv metro, hiding from shelling and bombs. For some time, he lived with them underground – he’s been buying and giving away product packages (e.g., with groceries) and entertaining children. 

    Time passed, and Fuminory decided to sell his house in Japan and move to Saltivka, one of the most damaged by Russian attacks neighborhoods in Kharkiv. Here, with the help of Ukrainian and Japanese charities, he opened a volunteer cafe, where, to this day, he has been providing hot meals to locals. 

    “I like everything in Kharkiv. People here are very kind. I’m staying here forever because I want to help them. Glory to Ukraine!” says Fuminori. "



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    Jesus, what a nice old chap. Cudos well deserved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,708 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    He may well have thought given his private army and his vast wealth Putin would not dare touch him. Whatever scenario is true, his hubris was ultimately his undoing. Given his background he should have known you can't trust anybody in that world, least of all Putin no matter what hand you feel you have to play. He should have stayed out of Russia. Putin might still send people after him but with his vast wealth he could have made it more difficult for Putin to get him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Mike3549




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,932 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A fascinating aspect of this is how Putin is making no attempt to disguise he is fronting up a mafia state, even from his own people.

    It's very much along the lines of Stalin's purges and Hitler's 'Night of the Long Knives'.



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