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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,304 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There's a guy works down my chip shop swears he's Prigozhin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭xper


    Doesnt look like an Embraer Legacy which has swept wings and engines attached to the rear fuselage. The aircraft in that video has straight wings with wing-mounted engines, looks like a military transport. It also seems to differ from other videos posted as there is a signficaint flames on view as it nears the ground, the other videos have primarily whiteish smoke but not much if any visible flame. Doesnt mean the other vids are legit mind, but they fit better. This one is certainly off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,883 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    He deserved to die, I just hope he screamed all the way down until the earth impacted his face and shove it up his ass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,213 ✭✭✭✭briany




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Shot down or a bomb on board? It looks like the crash was more or less directly between Moscow and Petersburg, and usually there is quite a lot of civilian air traffic in that area . So my guess would be a bomb, unless the Russian Airforce were reckless enought to shoot a plane down in an area with lots of other traffic. But only in Russia......??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭jmreire


    In the turmoil that followed Prigozhin's military convoy to Moscow, and subsequent turnaround, pandemonium reigned. All the top brass had frozen, not knowing what was going to be the result, and not taking any action because of this. They wanted to be on the "right" side of whoever won. Then you had a proportion of Wagners who were very unhappy with Prigozhin too because of what he did. So Putin bought time to take back full control.. moving against Prigozhin would have been a bad move back them. So he bided his time, and when he was good and ready, he struck, and had Prigozhin killed. ( this is the current news, but we will know in a day or two for sure )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,304 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Tis an awful pity the plane only hit a field. Would be great if it went down in Moscow like the drones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭20silkcut



    Yes and the 9/11 moon landings were an outside job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,078 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Very predictable outcome. More inventive than the old fashioned "falling" out of a window tbf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    I wonder was this times also to dedlect from the Indian moon landing and russians crash into the moon which was a major embarrassment



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,725 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Mullinabreena


    Putin gone hiding in Valdai again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭greenpilot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Most likely though its the law of the jungle. If the leading male lion of the pride, shows any kind of weakness, he will be replaced. The law of the jungle. Putin had to assert his power...or else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Anything that's reported out of Russia can't be believed as a starting point. He could already be traveling under a Belarusian identify and some donor with his passport put on board. So many theories of what might have happened. That's the result of Putin's firehouse of falsehood. Guess we'll just have to see what happens. Private jets don't undergo the same level of scrutiny.


    But if it is true... Hahahaha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭IdHidden


    6 stages of grief.

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  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Marie Strong Pocketful


    Travelling on a plane after you've threatened to march on the Kremlin...

    He should have carried on the march as he had already signed his own death warrant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,629 ✭✭✭rogber


    His own Wagner group have confirmed the death. Give up the silly conspiracy theories already, the reality is crazy enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,266 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Hi.

    Went looking back through FR.

    Here is the aircraft in question. Tail number: RA-02795.

    Screenshot_20230823-212117_Flightradar24.jpg

    It's transponder was switched on quite late, when it was well into it's Climb to cruising altitude.

    This is the point at which it appears on the tracking software, climbing through 16,900ft. The time is 15.02 UTC.

    Screenshot_20230823-213622_Flightradar24.jpg

    Here, the aircraft is continuing as normal, now at almost FL 270. The time is now 15.11 UTC.

    Screenshot_20230823-213924_Flightradar24.jpg

    Then, a few seconds later , The aircraft transponder signal stops, and the aircraft disappeared from "radar" ( not primary radar) at FL26825. The aircraft appeared to be in level flight at this stage, at a speed of just below 400kts. Note the Aeroflot 737 ( miraculously still flying without any western maintenance C and D checks or support, apparently, I might add) following behind.

    Screenshot_20230823-214021_Flightradar24.jpg

    The pilots of the following Aeroflot commercial flight, would have seen the Embrarer on their TCAS display and, 2000ft above them and almost directly in front, would have seen any explosions pertaining to the aircraft. This commercial flight peeled away to the left on a different heading just after the anomaly with the Embrarer, on its planned flight path.

    Screenshot_20230823-214223_Flightradar24.jpg

    There is one airbase to the south of where the aircraft came down, around 50km away. A home to Mig interceptor aircraft (25's or 31's?), this airport's runway was closed in 2014 for repairs and it is not entirely clear if it is currently operational.

    Screenshot_20230823-215014_Maps.jpg




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭jmreire


    It was Russian military wearing unmarked uniforms who were sent into Donbass by Putin to foment war by attacking ethnic Russians, and blaming it on Ukrainians, ( same stunt Putin did with the Moscow apartment bombing's. He organized it then blamed the Chechen's for it, and declared war on Chechnya. Its what got him elected) And these so called protectors of ethnic Russians in Donbass, were armed to the teeth, including with BUK Missiles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Nope. Nearest aircraft was an Aeroflot 737 following behind. Regards. P.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    I don't even believe the silly theory I posted. Just adding to the noise of nonsense that'll follow.


    That Wagner are buying the official line doesn't make me any less skeptical. They'd no idea he'd pull the plug on the march to Moscow. Subordinates are treated like mushrooms in Russia. I'd like to see confirmation from a non Russian source is all. But I don't see that happening.


    The guy surely knew he was on borrowed time but maybe he was that arrogant/stupid to assume he wouldn't be touched.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Thanks.

    Your last post once again shows that people that criticised your post in this thread are wrong. 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Except that Jet he was on, was his own ( and he has two, apparently ) but where did you get the idea he was wanted in Russia? Simply not true. Putin lulled Prigozhin into a false sense of security, made future plans etc. and when he (Putin) had covered all the possible responses to Prigozhin's death, and it was as safe as possible for him to kill Prigozhin, he killed him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭SuspectZero


    I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for all this. His plane probably accidentally fell out of a 2000 story high window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,163 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    What’s that old saying?


    Oh yeah,


    “Make a deal with the devil….”


    Common sense Prigo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,051 ✭✭✭jmreire


    According to Prigozhin himself, the whole escapade was aimed at Shoigu and Gerazimov, who he claimed were refusing to supply him with the arms he needed to take Bakhmut, and the cause of many of his men getting killed, and as such was not aimed at or meant to overthrow Putin. However, Putin didn't interpret it that way, and promptly hightailed it out of the Kremlin ( same as most of the top brass.) when Prigozhin's armed convoy came within 70 miles of Moscow. So as we now know, a deal of one kind or another was hammered out between Putin and Prigozhin, which led Prigozhin into a false sense of security. Putin bided his time, neutralizing the Wagner group, and killing Prigozhin. The burning question now though is, has the Wagner group (and others) been neutralized enough....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    S300 blasts murdering SOBs out of the sky second Embraer returned all arrested

    Putin gave the order, strength by any means is respected in Russia.

    Great example for what's part of BRICS ideology.

    World no safer while Russia, previously contained exists they armed NK ffs

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭pajor


    Another Icarus that flew too close to the sun.



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