A wonderful illustration showing how much public space we’ve handed over to cars

elperello · 15-08-2023 02:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981495#Comment_120981495

Depends on how much you spend on fares and how many bicycles you lose.

An older car is definitely an option though and if you keep it long enough it might even appreciate in value.

elperello · 15-08-2023 02:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981299#Comment_120981299

Agreed enforcement of insurance is lamentable.

Seth Brundle · 15-08-2023 02:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981834#Comment_120981834

Enforcement across the board of all road traffic offences is lamentable.

07Lapierre · 15-08-2023 02:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120979524#Comment_120979524

Actually your correct...Motorists are not Guests...its "Vehicles" that are the Guests. (An important distinction TBH)

Pawwed Rig · 15-08-2023 02:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981741#Comment_120981741

It is like a belief in permanent rain is beaten into people as kids rather than believing what their eyes are telling them

magicbastarder · 15-08-2023 02:54PM

just for my own curiosity - lets say it rained for four hours a day on average, for 20 days in a month of 30 days. they'd be considered very wet days.

looking out the window at random on one of the days in that month, there would be a one in nine chance it would be raining.

15-08-2023 03:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981752#Comment_120981752

No as I said before I'm for the introduction of infrastructure that supports greener modes of transport. In order to achieve that i do believe we need extra cycle lanes and bus corridors as its an area where we are badly lacking. As I've said numerous times I think the expulsion of cars from urban areas is unnecessary and quite frankly stupid at this current point in time. I'm saying that as somebody who predominantly walks or cycles to work and lives in a city center. I also own a car which I use regularly.

A lot of contributers to the thread that are clearly cyclists belive the only way for cyclists to commute safely is have the majority of existing urban infrastructure dedicated to cycling. That's unnecessary as cycling is not a suitable mode of transport for most people and there are engineered solutions to allow cyclists and cars to share urban spaces quite safely. There is an issue with increasingly aggressive cyclists who are incapable of sharing public spaces, they have little regard for other commuters and they are pushing for complete control of roads in order to be able to cycle without having to pay attention to their surroundings.

The main counter argument appears to be I like cycling or cycling is a suitable means of commuting for me therefore any future transport plans should just focus on cycling everybody else should just adapt.

crisco10 · 15-08-2023 03:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981999#Comment_120981999

It's mad isn't it. Drives me mad too!

Luckily, there is 80 years of rainfall data available from Dublin Airport.

https://data.gov.ie/dataset/dublin-airport-hourly-data

A quick collation and pivot table gives this table. The numbers are the number of days which had more than 0.5mm rainfall in that hour period. Averaged across 80 years.

So for example, if you commute between 08:00 and 09:00, and then between 17:00 and 18:00, AND were unlucky enough to get caught on every wet day, you would have gotten caught (on average) in moderate rainfall on 16 days in the morning, and 19 days in the afternoon for a total of 35 wet days out of the 365. Or in other words, you would be dry in those time periods for 330 days of the year.

And even if you set the threshold as 0.2mm rainfall per hour, the numbers become this:

So you get light rainfall 25 + 30 days. Leaving you with only 310 dry days (for the hours you are outside) a year.

TL:DR

It really is not that wet a country for commuting. Well I suppose to be precise, Dublin isn't.

15-08-2023 03:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982190#Comment_120982190

I'm pretty sure the main objective of many cycle campaigners is to create infrastructure that allows anyone cycling (commuters, leisure, schoolkids etc) to get from A to B without dying

Its a pretty simple ask yet seems to get twisted into illogical arguments against this by many opposed to freeing up space to allow this to happen

Case in point, your own post where your reason for not providing safe infrastructure for cycling children, commuters, leisure etc, is "cycling is not a suitable mode of transport for most people" yet you then follow up with "there are engineered solutions to allow cyclists and cars to share urban spaces quite safely".

Those engineered solutions are, literally, the safe infrastructure being asked for

The rest of your post is utter rubbish

AlmightyCushion · 15-08-2023 03:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982190#Comment_120982190

Drivers not able to share public space is a much bigger problem than cyclists. From illegally parking and driving in bus lanes, cycle lane, footpaths etc. I have actually seen people driving on footpaths to get around traffic at peak times. Drivers breaking lights and speeding. I have had numerous drivers beep at me, shout at me or start revving their engines when I am crossing the road or walking in a shared space area and they consider me in their way. I have seen way more dangerous and inconsiderate actions by drivers than by cyclists.

15-08-2023 03:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982271#Comment_120982271

Everybody's experience of commuting is going to be different. As a pedestrian I have not seen what you describe and have only been put in danger during my commutes by aggressive cyclists and scooter users.

15-08-2023 03:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982246#Comment_120982246

If you had taken the time to read my post before you hit reply you would have seen that I'm in favour of sharing the road infrastructure with cyclists and said we need more infrastructure.

The problem with these engineered solutions is that they take time and money so you will just have to be patient.

magicbastarder · 15-08-2023 04:00PM

i've mentioned the examples on boards before several times, but on the two occasions i have drawn garda attention to someone parked on the footpath, completely blocking it, near where i live, they've looked at me in the 'i don't know why you're telling me this' way. one example was a large grab truck from a builders providers, and the only reason the garda headed over to look was that i told him one of the tyres was completely bald. he genuinely had no issue with a truck like that completely blocking the footpath.

Thelonious Monk · 15-08-2023 04:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982294#Comment_120982294

maybe check the news, it isn't cyclists and scooters killing and maiming pedestrians regularly

elperello · 15-08-2023 05:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120981892#Comment_120981892

Yes and you'd think insurance would be an easy win for enforcement with discs on screens and all vehicles on a database.

Maybe the latest announcement of the long awaited hand held access to the database will bear fruit.

15-08-2023 06:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982514#Comment_120982514

All im saying is that ive been struck by more bicycles than cars this year. Fortunately cars have number plates to help track the operator down if they fail to stop.

By your logic we should to ban places of work to prevent work place accidents. Accidents will happen all we can do is try and mitigate the risks involved. All parties need to pay attention when commuting to prevent injury to others and themselves.

AndrewJRenko · 16-08-2023 02:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982294#Comment_120982294

Data shows clearly the actual source of danger to pedestrians is motorists, who kill 30-40 pedestrians each year, with pedestrian deaths increasing in recent years.

AndrewJRenko · 16-08-2023 02:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120982800#Comment_120982800

Car number plates weren’t much use when I was assaulted by the passenger of a car leaning out the window. Gardai told me the car had been wrecked and written off previously, so was being driven unregistered and uninsured.

07Lapierre · 16-08-2023 07:08AM

Number plates are useless unless recorded on video. You only have a split second to view (and remember) the license plate of a passing vehicle. The media is full of stories of pedestrians being injured or killed by untraced vehicles along with Garda requests for witnesses/dashcam footage etc.

padjocollins · 16-08-2023 08:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120980384#Comment_120980384

why are u ffs ing me ? , I was basically just pointing out u don't have to worry about the home journey and rain cutting down 50% of the problem. I cycle myself and adopt the same tactics as you which is common sense to me . grand

padjocollins · 16-08-2023 08:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120980460#Comment_120980460

that's exactly what i have here in germany at work and surprise surprise , we have hundreds of cyclists (a few k employed) and we've also a lot of bike lanes, seperate from the road , often parallel but seperated by green . I know that's mostly not an option for Ireland as these paths exist a long time

16-08-2023 01:44PM

Can you imagine the numbers if this was rolled out on a large scale here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-66508840

GreeBo · 16-08-2023 03:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120980979#Comment_120980979

You dont need to find somewhere to change your clothes, possibly have a shower and store your bike + clothes with a car though, you park and are ready to go.

magicbastarder · 16-08-2023 05:55PM

I shower at least on a daily basis anyway. And depending on when I arrive in work, I might have to drive around looking for a space anyway.

Well, to be fair, I don't think that's an issue since covid.

Emblematic · 17-08-2023 08:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120986941#Comment_120986941

I know people will say I'm a slovenly bastard, but I think if you have a moderate distance to cycle (say 30m) and you cycle at a moderate pace in an urban area, you will not need a shower after you arrive if you had one before you left. The exertion involved is not much more than walking really. Whatever sweat you produce will be fresh and will not cause problems once it dries.

The mistake people make is thinking they are in the Tour de France on the way to work whereas you can cycle at a relaxed pace and still beat most other forms of transport.

Obviously not as good as showering at work but many workplaces don't have those facilities.

21-08-2023 02:48PM

These %'s, fk me

https://twitter.com/conndonovan9/status/1693554780050792825?s=20

21-08-2023 03:00PM

Gotta love the Onion

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1550209056786235392?s=20

21-08-2023 03:26PM

A good piece in RTE today

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1693526301657756099?s=20

GreeBo · 22-08-2023 08:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120992576#Comment_120992576

The post I was responding to wasn't specifically about going to work, more of a general I can get from A to B in X time by car or Y time by bike. I was merely pointing out that you dont just hop off a bike and thats it, you are ready to go.

Even if you do cycle at a moderate pace, if it rained etc you would have wetgear to remove and store and probably shoes to change. You have none of this with a car, you just arrive in the same condition you set out in.

I say this as someone who commuted via bike for 20+ years btw!

Mrs OBumble · 22-08-2023 10:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121008101#Comment_121008101

So you're saying we need to get rid of wheelie bins and dogs as well as cars?

A wonderful illustration showing how much public space we’ve handed over to cars

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