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What would the world be like if everyone was single?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭taxAHcruel


    LOL they wouldnt exist though surely? Communal parenting would be a thing. There would BE no "single parents". There would just be the adults and the young and we would all be looking after them together?

    At least that is what KPAX would have you believe. I love "family" to be honest but I can not say I do not see the concept from KPAX in a positive light too. It would be very different. But it would be equally wonderful I think.

    I live in a small area between Maynooth and kilcock. The idea I could get up tomorrow and teach all the kids in the area what I have to teach - martial arts mostly - and then someone else would take over when I go to work and teach them all - I dunno - farming - and the next person maths and the next and the next - - -

    It's be an interesting life. You wouldn't know which of the batch of kids is actually yours. And you wouldn't care even. It would just be your slot to do communal parenthood in that moment.

    EDIT: Im not much of a gamer but I have my moments where I play games heavily. But the nerds would know better than me on this one. Isn't the "Qun" from Dragon age very similar to the society of KPAX? What I would be interested to know is has it ever been tried in human history? My history sucks! Instantly my mind is telling me that @Peregrinus would know the answer to this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Are you that guy that hangs around Maynooth with the two Asian girls?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Hey OP.

    Who do you think would win in a fight?

    Batman or Superman?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭taxAHcruel


    I dont think I know any asians personally. We are all Irish here.



  • Posts: 700 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wall to wall bastards!

    Mrs Doyle.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,714 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    People would have less money, not more. There are considerable economies to living as a couple.

    On the whole, a significant number of people would be less happy than they are now. A lot of people — probably a majority — prefer to be in relationships for the social, emotional and psychological support that relationships bring. Not unrelated (and not really all that surprising) is the fact that people in relationships have more sex than people not in relationships.

    On the whole, being in a relationship is good for us. On average, people in relationships enjoy better health, and live longer, than people not in relationships.

    So, yeah, the world the OP envisages would be quite a stressful world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭taxAHcruel


    Wouldnt the "economies" be totally different though? Aren't you applying the economies of couples as we have it now to the new concept of no couples? Surely we would structure it entirely different if society was as the Thesis of the OP? There would be no "couples" economy because the concept would be alien to the financial structure of that society.

    I know you know history a lot more than I do though so I am glad you showed up in the thread :) I wanted to ask - has a communal child rearing concept ever actually been tried in human history? Where there is no family structure but just a community upbringing all the kids and I guess free relationships without pairing off and the like?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,714 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    On the economics issue - two adults sharing the expenses of a common home is always going to be hugely more efficient than two adults maintaining separate homes. There is no way of squaring that particular circle.

    Of course, if everyone is single then you can experiment with different living arrangements that don't involve one-person households - group homes, dormitories, whatever. But that's a separate issue - you can experiment with those right now, if you like, with couples, or couples and singles, living in group homes or dormitories. Things like that have indeed been tried, e.g. with communes. There haven't been very many successful experiments, though.

    As for communal child-rearing — this isn't a simple binary, where you either raise children in a nuclear family or raise them as children of the village. This is a spectrum. What many societies do is raise children in the context of an extended family - grandparents, uncles, aunts are all involved, though parents still retain the primary role. For the extended family to be constantly closely involved, however, they pretty much have to live as an extended family - sharing a compound, or at least all in the same village.

    There are also many societies — often hunter-gatherer societies — where people live in groups of 30 to 80, and raising children is a very communal exercise. But this does seem to be linked with very rigid gender roles - raising the group's children is the responsibility of the women, and fathers often have little to do with their children until they reach adolescence, at which point they are responsible for arranging husbands for their daughters, and for training and initiating their sons. I'm not sure that this model would catch on in 21st-century Ireland.

    SFAIK none of these groups have done this in the context of all the adults being single — men and women continue to form committed conjugal relationships (which may be polygamous) and both mothers and fathers continue to have a unique relationship with their children. These groups tend to attach considerable importance to family relationships, and status is closely linked to who your parents and other relatives are.

    Marriage of one kind or another seems to be pretty universal — we don't know of any culture that doesn't give a central place to some form of committed conjugal relationship, and that doesn't link this to the begetting and raising of children. But types of marriage are very varied and include polygamy and (although quite rare) group marriage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,303 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    The economies would be the same as today. Two will always live cheaper than one. And shared child custody causes additional costs. It's the economies of scale and you can't just structure them differently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Maybe but maybe not, lots of sexless marriages out there.

    prostitution would probably be made legal like in other European Countries, that would sort that issue out.

    Maybe a lot of people assume they are happier in a relationship but the reality might be different? for me there is a lot less stress and pressure when single.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭taxAHcruel


    Nice summary. I find it hard to even imagine what the economy would look like in a "KPAX" style society. Itd be so different to what we have that I am not sure you can even describe it using comparisons.

    Even my relationship with two women and two kids with each of them - is very different to how most people live. My Tax returns alone would give you nightmares. Hence my username!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,091 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Wedding planners would become extinct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Something I just thought of there, a lot of people I know who are single look at least 10 years younger than they are, thats if they want to be single, I also know single people who dont want to be single and some of them look far older because they arent happy and so have bad habits like drinking far too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,714 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Well, there are lots of sexless singles our there too. Or, more to the point, singles who aren't completely sexless, but who don't get a lot of sex. Sex surveys pretty consistently show people have more sex when in relationships which, on the whole, is what you'd expect.

    As for prostitution, it is not illegal in Ireland (though other aspects of sex work are). But, legal or illegal, it's not a substitute for a relationship that involves meaningful sex, emotional support and intimacy. Whatever health and welfare impacts people suffer from not being in relationships, they are not likely to be remedied by engaging the services of sex workers.

    And, as for your own situation, you may be one of those people who is not suited to being in a relationship. It seems to me that arguing that everyone should be in a relationship is just as misguided as arguing that nobody should be; the truth is that people are different and they want different things. There's a good argument that we live in an excessively romantic culture that assumes that everyone's goal should be settled coupledom and those who don't achieve this are failures, while those who don't want it are weird or repressed. I suspect most people, most of the time, are better off in conjugal relationships; we are social animals, after all, and this particular mode of living and raising children seems to be almost universal, so its a good strategy for the species. But it doesn't follow that everyone has to fit into that mould, and a help culture should accommodate and sustain both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    If you visit a prostitute in Ireland that is illegal and if caught you will end up in court for the offence. its illegal for the user.

    maybe its just me but sex is sex, doesnt matter if its as part of a couple or with someone you are in a relationship with, in my opinion, I obviously could be wrong. best sex I ever had was a one night stand with someone I met an hour before lol.

    im not saying everyone should be single, the thread is just asking the question, what would the world be like if everyone was single.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,303 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    It seems you're projecting your view, or experience(?), of relationships on the general population. I sense most people in relationships don't suffer stress or pressure any more than those who are single.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Yes but others, including yourself are projecting their experiences of relationships, that is the whole point of the thread. im looking for other people opinions and experiences.

    im just giving my opinion, im not saying im right or wrong in my opinions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    You don't have kids do you? So you're spouting rubbish :) Families, children are what drive human society.

    As to the OP question - human population would be decimated very quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    so you are telling me single people don't raise kids? or raise them with the other parent?

    and just because I dont have kids, means I cant have an opinion on the matter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Of course you can have an opinion. But without direct experience of taking responsible care of children born to you, your opinion is limited.

    Why would you want to be single anyway? Can't see the attraction. Each to their own but I think if you look about you, you'll see that the norm in human society is for couples and families. For good reason over millennia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Reasons I prefer being single

    I can do what I want, go where I want without running it by someone.

    I dont have to go to her friends/cousin wedding or some other party that I have no interest in.

    more money.

    I get bored of the same woman so its nice to meet different women.

    im not worrying about the relationship breaking up and losing my house.

    no fights.

    more time to work and make money.

    I can hang out with friends a lot more (lets be honest couples havent a lot of time for their friends, especially their single friends, they usually prefer to hang out with other couples in their limited spare time)

    I could go on, the list is endless really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,823 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    But it would be strange wouldnt it, coupled up people would live very different lives, they would probably go out a lot more, hang out with friends a lot more, maybe more holidays and money to spend. less boring in my opinion, I think a lot of people become boring when part of a couple, they get old before their time.


    They’d lead exactly the same lives, because if the starting point was that everyone is single, people would start coupling off anyways, and society would end up with exactly the same structures and institutions as it has now.

    People who want to stay single because they view being part of a couple as boring and what not, wouldn’t be required to pair up with anyone, but in order for your idea to work, people would have to be forced to remain single! The novelty would wear thin on your idea very quickly 😳



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    lol its funny how some people in this thread always veer towards being in a couple, it shows some people are just naturally born to be in a couple.

    nothing wrong with that but in my idea the majority of people would all choose to be single, never wanting to be in a couple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,823 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack




    Well no I mean that people if they were starting off single would just invariably couple up anyways, I didn’t mean there wouldn’t still be millions of people who are single and don’t care for being in a couple.

    I do get where you’re coming from though, it was sort of explored in Brave New World, where there was this idea of ‘the social body’ - everyone having sex with everyone basically, and the population was replenished by reproducing humans in laboratory conditions… I think was the general gist of it anyway 😂

    You’re right though - wouldn’t be for me anyway!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Yes, my idea is that the majority of people would consider being single the more natural thing to do.

    As someone said to me lately, we come into this world alone and leave it alone.

    I reckon a lot of people couple up because its seen as the thing to do.

    my mother told me the reason she had kids and got married was because thats just what people seemed to do, her generation were totally different to todays generation but I think people today still do certain things because its seen as the thing to do.

    same way some people work in certain professions because that is just what you do. I left one of these jobs to work self employed in a job people look down on but it worked out a lot better than if I stayed in the other so called "better" job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭89897


    You say this based on not alot of evidence. You've mentioned your mother and you but not taken into account what goes on in the majority of cases. Why do you think the majority of people would rather be single or that they do it not of their own free will?

    Your own self aside do you really not know anyone in a happy relationship?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Yes lots who seem happy anyway but what is to say they wouldnt be as happy living a single life?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,889 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    There are lots of couples in unhappy relationships and only stay together for the kids. There is also those who settle for anyone because bring married and having kids is the so called thing to do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,268 ✭✭✭Mister Vain




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