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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    It tough to say what the article means. It might mean 15-20km squared. Which would make more sense. But Ukraine have gained MUCH more than 20km sq since June. Tenfold more from my reading.

    So it could be 15-20km sq in some key areas in the south over the past week/few days? Which isn't quite as exciting as a 20km arrow towards the sea of Azov overnight. But it's not nothing either. Especially since Russia really seems to be throwing the kitchen sink at the UAF in this area trying to retake the land they're slowly losing.

    I have some faith in the cleverness of UAF leadership at this stage. Ukraine isn't throwing their soldiers into the fire here for meters of soil, it's not their style IMO. Just like in Bakhmut. Everyone thought that Ukraine was being stubborn for no legitimate tactical reason in Bakhmut. But they clearly had a plan in mind. They bled Wagner dry and the Russian federation nearly collapsed with the Wagner mutiny afterwards.

    I may turn out to be wrong here but I still have faith that what we're seeing is Ukraine softening up the frontlines and the real hammerblow is yet to fall.

    We'll see I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭jmreire


    You mentioned Dagestan, have you ever been there? And as for weather and temp events, here's one or two for you, happened in Serbia last month. And prior to these event's, the temp was reaching 40c, and no, I didn't ask anyone, I did not need to because I was there. A lot of the devastation happened in Novi Sad, and I had been there too, but before the freak storm hit.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Right, but the temperature never hit 47c. That's all I said, not sure what you're getting at now.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'm not "getting at anything" You mention Dagestan, so I asked have you ever been there? Have you? My Russian Friend tells me that its currently 47c where he is, you say its never been that temperature in Russia, so I say that the weather pattern's are changing, and I post a few examples to illustrate what I mean. Temperature records world wide will be broken this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    This is precisely the problem .... the current version of the Republicans ... and de Santis will be worse than Trump ... is a hardline entity not at all unlike the current Iranian hardliner ruling party Paydari ... policy like pulling out of the deal, killing Soleimani and sanctions all allowed hardliners to take control and strengthened the grip of the Khamenei family and Paydari ... the ascent of these is not in the interest of Iran, US or Europe ... and neither is the ascent of hardline Republicans who believe in conspiracy theories ...

    Iran's current rulers will not last long if they continue with their current role .... siding with Russia and ignoring other relationships as well as deliberately oppressing the people with the worst type of unintelligent peasant cultism does not give them legitimacy ... Putin's war is a disaster and unless he finds a way out in the nest 1-2 years he will go the way of the Tsar ... Iran's economy is even worse and it is only a matter of time before the army will side with the people instead of Khamenei ...

    I suspect a more moderate Iranian government will form ... but the question is will the US embrace it like it should or will it punish it again leading to another hardliner taking hold?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ramasun


    Iran has a large Azeri ethnic population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭mike_cork




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,515 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,062 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    People who are worried about Russian counter-offensives need to watch videos like this.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I hope that man gets home to his two sons, so he can tell them the shít he went through to serve his mafia masters. Then you'll hopefully have 3 simmering Russians resentful of the rotating door of "authority" that country's people endure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭glen123


    It's not leadership. It's a little show "i am dealing with corruption" while in reality it's more of a "you've made loads of made money? Now, move aside and let others have a go at it". Same as Minister for Defense is getting a boot (even though it was supposed to happen back in Feb but didn't) for various schemes that were found out. Is he going to go to prison? No. He is likely to become an Ambassador in the UK :)

    However, Zelensky's idea of making recruitment heads of those that fought on the front line and got wounded is actually fair. Those that lost their limbs know very well knowing the history of Chernobyl, Afganistan that nobody is going to care for them in a few years time (if not already) so this would nearly be the only opportunity for them to make as much money as possible to safeguard their future and the future of their families, and good for them - they need to think about themselves because the government won't. I'd rather they got the bribes than those that did absolutely nothing for their country. And if some of them actually end up doing their job honestly, it will be a bonus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I've mentioned this several times before that there lies a deep dislike of ethnic Russian's in all the Republics, but in Chechnya, it goes far deeper than dislike, its down right hatred after what Putin did to the Chechens'. To this day, Kadyrov is regarded as a traitor, and there's plenty of Chechens would not only like to see him dead, but to take an active part in his demise. So there's no love lost between the two groups. Throw a few litres of vodka, a couple of AK47's into the mix, and the Chechens will start to have flashbacks of Samashki, Achkhoy-Martan and other places where Russians behaved as they do, murderously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,062 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It is leadership during a time of war to admit corruption on scale (which can be used as propaganda by the enemy) and then to tackle it. Likewise when Zelensky took action when (reported) high-pricing was discovered for military food contracts.

    The decision to replace recruitment civilians with people who've been on the front line also makes sense from a recruitment perspective.

    Zelensky has been visiting soldiers on the front-line, in some pretty dangerous areas, working constantly to secure better equipment and arms, honouring the dead, lobbying on the troops behalf, he has massive respect among the people and military.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And hopefully that trickle will become a flood!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And there are posters on here who believe that Russians have choices.... Imagine here in Ireland you take your car to the NCT centre, Motor Tax, Revenue Office, or indeed any state office, and get grabbed there and then. And it can happen on the street too. You leave home, and the next time your Family hear from you is that you are now in the army. And I've seen it happen. Perfectly normal in a terrorist mafia state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,936 ✭✭✭threeball


    His older son is probably in Ukraine already, the 13yr old, probably not far off being drafted given the way they've ran things so far.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Grim but probably true; the way things are going I'd not be remotely surprised if a coup, were to happen, came from the military. Maybe not the Putin stooges at the top but all the officer class having to muck through a catastrophic invasion. They'll surely be the ones with the longest memories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The thing is , Putin has such a latticework of layers of protection around himself, that everyone's health and well being ( not mention financial health and well being ) depends on keeping him alive, and presently the threat that may come from the ranks etc.is surpassed by the threat that would definitely come from Putin. Ultimately, I thing that's what scared Prigozhin. Because, the whole Country went on standby, not taking sies as they waited for the outcome, Putin or Prigozhin. Prigozhin folded. With hindsight, I'd say that maybe it's something he regrets. I think that maybe increasing economic hardship on the population, especially with the winter coming may trigger mass protests that even his brutality will not be able to control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,515 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "Because, the whole Country went on standby, not taking sies as they waited for the outcome, Putin or Prigozhin."

    With respect, you keep telling us the average Russian is a brainless chicken who is committed to the system and terrified at every turn, utterly incapable of thinking any other way? So how could they suddenly consider morphing and changing their loyalties? Prigozhin would have brought in his own chaotic systems and people.

    Perhaps part of the truth is that they are too comfortable being told what to do but astute enough to consider changes in who tells them, that might line their own pockets with more roubles?

    And we're back to the pov that are utterly morally corrupt, they could rise up and march in their hundreds of thousands and millions even and there would be sfa that Putin or Prigozhin could do about it. Russian society has many redeeming points in terms of thought, intellectual rigour, arts, invention, ambition and capacity to graft. I believe that's going down the tubes as it is.



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  • Posts: 593 ✭✭✭ Kiera Large Griddlecake


    Could you quote the “brainless chicken” reference, please?

    I don’t recall the poster ever using that term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Untrue. Where have I ever said that the average Russian is a brainless chicken? Because the reality is the average Russian is no more brainless than the average Irish or English man, and that's for sure! And they showed their intelligence by not taking sides in the recent Prigozhin / Putin affair. Same as most of the top brass ( after what happened to the aircraft sent to stop Prigozhin, they were in no hurry to send out more, ) They too, sat on the fence. Had Prigozhin succeeded, the whole Country would have erupted in celebrations. " The King is dead, Long live the King". But had they intervened on Prigozhin's side, and the coup failed, the bloodletting Putin would have unleashed would have been ferocious, and put Erdogan's revenge in the shade. So no, they very sensibly choose to wait and see. And lived. The distribution of wealth in Russia is strictly regulated by Putin, and most of is circulated within his circle of Silovicki and Oligarch's, with the general population only getting what they do get through the trickle down system. And and of course, while the Silovicki and Oligarchs are being looked after, they will remain loyal. As for your usual dream of a population rising up, marching on the Kremlin, its just not going to happen. And the main reason why that's not going to happen is that Putin will not have the slightest compunction in calling on his personal National Guard, sworn to protect him, and ordering them to open fire on the thousands and thousands of protesters marching on the Kremlin. And Russian Citizens know this only too well. The only way that it might happen is if it reached critical mass in the army ranks, and the officers led the coup, and supported the protesters,

    When the best and brightest have already fled ( and have been fleeing quietly for years ,17 million pre- invasion plus 1.5-2 million draft dodgers ) Russian society is far gone down the tubes, even as it is.

    Post edited by jmreire on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭IdHidden




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,585 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Any reliable sources on how much Russia can produce per month or year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    In May they also sent 220k, assuming that's in addition to and not just an updated figure.

    Hard to know DW says its's in addition to:

    Kyivpost says in the total figure:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,585 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Reading a lot how the counter offensive is a total failure and when you look at how much further there is to the Azov see you'd not feel very positive.

    However with the fall of the village yesterday Ukraine have now punched through about 10Km on the road to Mariupol. If you follow the natural line of the river and villages it's about 38km until they reach a settlement which has a station on the train line. This is an important artery for Russian logistics. Another 5km or so past this is the motorway that runs along the South.

    Forget reaching the coast this is where Ukraine needs to get to properly **** up Russian logistics in the south. So 10km down, 38km to go. I'm not sure how for they'll get before the mud season kicks in but even getting with 20km of that train station could be enough to permanently disable it with artillery fire. And considering how vital this is they might even continue pushing right through the winter until they finally take it.

    This is why Russia has been throwing everything to stop Ukraine taking single villiages here. They know they must hold at all costs. We'll see what happens in the next week if they continue to push on but they'll also need to attack the flanks after making gains so the entire frontline can move up around them.

    Zachativka is the name of the town with the train station and like I said it's about 38km to Urozhaine which they just liberated. There's about 6 large villiages along the way so every village they take will be huge progress to achieving this goal.


    Whether or not they can capture Staromlynivka will be telling as it's the largest of all the small towns/villages on this path. But they will be slowed down by the fact they need to push sideways before they can continue pushing forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    If the frontline moves another ~5km further south on the Robotyne front, Ukranian HIMARS can reach the Black Sea and be able to reach all the roads on the land bridge. Even less than 5km to take bridges out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    I think this is a good way to look at it. Ukraine don't actually need to fully penetrate all the way to the coast. They only need to make it so far across.

    Even half way and any russians operating south of them are gonna be having a bad time. The south is effectively a throat. Close it halfway then force the Russians to fight with 50% oxygen intake. They may simply chose not to. This is why the Russians are throwing the kitchen sink at Ukraine for these first 20km. Ceding land in favour of better positions can only work to a point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭scotchy


    Ruble goes through the 100r to $ barrier for the first time. Will be interesting to see if it stays there.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    I'm pretty sure I can think of another factor that's caused the weakening of Russia.

    As ever Putin remains a master strategist

    Post edited by mike_cork on


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