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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,504 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    This is how a Supreme Court judge should conduct themselves;

    In an opinion article published today in the Washington PostMargaret McMullan, an organizer of the Mississippi Book Festival, published her account of inviting Sotomayor to speak in 2019 – noting that the justice turned down a modest stipend and didn’t seem that interested in selling her book:

    Subsequent emails and phone conversations were similar. No, Le said, the justice did not need us to provide lunch or dinner. No, she could not accept the $250 stipend.

    Did Le urge me to buy more books? No. She did ask whether we wanted any of the copies of “My Beloved World” to be in Spanish. In fact, we did, and I hadn’t thought to order them.

    When Sotomayor came to Jackson, we had her speaking in the sanctuary at Galloway Memorial United Methodist Church, the church where Eudora Welty once worshiped. Backstage, Sotomayor smiled when she saw my clipboard of questions. She helped me with my tote bag full of books. She then clapped her hands together and said something like, “Okay. Here’s what we’re going to do.”

    In addition to our planned onstage interview, she said, she wanted the freedom to go off-script. “They’re children,” I recall her saying. “I want to be sure I get to their questions.”

    “Perfect,” I said.

    She concludes:

    There very well might be a culture of poor ethical conduct in the Supreme Court, but there is no moral equivalency between justices accepting rides on private jets to vacation with friends who had cases before the court and Sotomayor talking about her books and her life to a crowd of mesmerized young readers.

    The standard royalty rate for authors is less than 10 percent of the sales price. I don’t know anything about Sotomayor’s deal with her publishers, but 10 percent would make her cut of the 1,500 books our foundation purchased approximately $2,250 — for which she had to fly to Mississippi and give two presentations. During the hottest month of the year.

    Was that a bribe? You be the judge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    Hope so and they put a gag order on that court proceedings. More charges also from Georgia.

    More!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I try not to share stuff from overly left-wing media channels but this is quite priceless. He's rambling on and on about showers and water pressure. And they say Biden is losing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Same "leap" was made by the ADL, too. They kinda know antisemitism when they see it:

    "Jonathan Greenblatt, the CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, decried the comparison, calling it “factually incorrect, completely inappropriate and flat out offensive.”

    It seems like you just read the first paragraph or so, which is sad since there was a lot more to that article. I think this quote captures its essence - do remember that the interviewees, are scholars of the Holocaust.

    "Roth: Polling done by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) in the spring of 2023 indicates that antisemitic incidents in the United States are at the highest level since the ADL began tracking them in 1979. More than 3500 such incidents—harassment, assaults, vandalism—took place in 2022, a 36 percent uptick from 2021. "

    and "Antisemitism infects Donald Trump in ways that make him a transactional, performative-when-advantageous antisemite. What serves his self-interest is good. What doesn't is bad. His constituents often trade in antisemitic tropes. Trump won't denounce those who advance them if having dinner with them instead is more to his political advantage. Although Trump touts that his daughter, Ivanka, and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, are Jews and that he has Jewish grandchildren, Trump deplores the failure of Jews to support him while he has supported Israel. Trump's pals include antisemitic white supremacists. He attacks influential Jews such as George Soros and Janet Yellen. He depicts American Jews as having dual loyalty, implying that Jews can't be trusted as true Americans. "Disloyal Jews" are Jews who support Democrats. He'll portray Hillary Clinton with a Jewish star and stacks of currency in the background"


    Walks, talks, quacks like a duck, I give you Donald Trump, antisemite



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,485 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    bucketybuck threadban lifted



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    as predicted, because Trump's team have been told to attend before the presiding judge in DC, they are alleging that he is being silenced.


    Firstly, I ****ing wish!


    Secondly, this is not a free speech issue. When on bail, your rights are restricted. That is a fact. That includes certain things that you can discuss, or state, such as threats, either implicit or explicit. Of course, his base have the attention span on a gnat so his mouthpieces will regurgitate buzzwords and they will gladly get outraged.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The whole thing has nothing to do with "Free Speech" or the 1st Amendment.

    He is being charged for things that he is alleged to have done not things that he allegedly said.

    And like you say , Bail restrictions are a legal component of the terms of your release on bail.

    They can limit the places you can go , the things you can do , the people you are allowed speak to etc. etc.

    It's called the law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,632 ✭✭✭valoren


    One for the ages. A former President not understanding that his first amendment rights also applies to every other American. Even the ones he doesn't like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    You can say you have a million dollars in the bank (even if you have only $100 in there). Trump isn't being indicted for this.

    You can tell your mates you've a million dollars in that bank. Again, trump isn't being indicted for this.

    You cannot go into that bank and demand that they give you your (supposed) million dollars. This is what trump is being indicted for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    MAGA seems to just admit flouting law and order is the point now. Fox suggesting he will violate court orders simply to try and stick it to the judge. Any defendant doing that quickly finds themselves in the Find Out stage. They seem to think a plurality of voters won’t immediately see these as efforts to self martyr.




  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,828 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    You know what, a week in jail for clear contempt of court would be exactly what is needed to test the Magaloons mettle.

    It would be the perfect build up to a custodial sentence for one of the indictments



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75



    Alleging something (on fox for example) and saying something under oath are two different things...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Sadly the practicalities/logistics of putting Trump in jail for a week (or other short time-frame) make that highly unlikely.

    Hard to know what kind of temporary sanction that could be effectively applied and Trump probably knows this.

    They can prevent him from accessing information without lawyers etc. but in terms of his Social Media activity if the Judge were to put in place some kind of injunction against him , he would just say all the same things via a proxy like one of his idiot sons or any number of other mouthpieces that would do it for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    A good suggestion i heard today was that any posts need to be vetted by his counsel(solicitors). That would ensure some accountability on their part, and easy sanctions if the direction is not complied with

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Maybe they’ll let him build his own prison. If it’s good enough fo Pablo Escobar................



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That potentially stops him , but then Don Jr. or Eric just take up the mantle of hurling abuse at witnesses.

    And even at that , does anyone really believe that Trump would listen to his Lawyers or care if they got sanctioned for not controlling him?

    If he did that , he likely wouldn't have posted 90% of what he has posted over the last 3 or 4 days.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Have the lawyers take parental responsibility for him. Acknowledge that it's not feasible to incarcerate him, but any actions he takes and the lawyers face the consequences... See how long they stick around then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Don Jr or Eric are minor league compared to 45. They rant and rave all the time and nobody, even trump fans, listen to what they say.

    As for their lawyers, if they faced sanction or even disbarment, then they would certainly care. As for Trump caring, if he wants to burn through the entire bar, then so be it. That will wear out the patience of the judge very very quickly.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,150 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,611 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    So I’m curious about those poster who seem to believe the case against trump in relation to January 6th.

    • do you agree with Donald trump and others who believed that the election result could be overturned or senator pat toomey who felt that by challenging it in congress it set a dangerous precedent and the constitution sets out a very specific role for congress ?
    • do you believe that Donald trumps actions and word on election night and up and until January 6th played any role in the violence that occurred in that day ?
    • do you think that then VP mike pence acted within his role as president of the US senate on that day ?


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    If Trump were to be convicted and a custodial sentence was handed down , it's almost certain that he would not be sent to any existing Federal prison facility.

    Potentially he gets sent to a secure Military facility and moves into an Staff Officers quarters, essentially under "House Arrest" but not his house and not on his property.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    As for their lawyers, if they faced sanction or even disbarment, then they would certainly care.

    You forget, they believe if their client wins there's a good chance he might win the election again, and hand his lawyers pardons, nominate Aileen Cannon to the SCOTUS, etc.

    We're not dealing with a normal case, not even a normal mobster/crimelord case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Mobsters normally pay their attorney rather than sell them a pipe dream.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Trumps offer to his cronies..


    Ruin yourselves today to save me and I pinky promise that if I win in 2024 I'll pardon you and get you your reputations back...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    He would only regard those posts as 'liberal hysteria'.

    Take everything Trump has done and is under investigation for. Imagine it was perpetrated by a member of the Democratic party. How big do you think the fallout would be in American news media? How many heads would be exploding? I think Judge Janeane Shapiro on Fox News would have to be airlifted to hospital, myself. They would all be going utterly - fúcking - BERZERK. This is not something any of us don't know, but it is worth restating from time to time.

    The reaction to Trump's antics - antics which have utterly debased the office of POTUS - has been incredibly restrained from those on the other side of the aisle. Restrained by the Republicans, too, although for vastly different reasons. We know he's bang to rights, and he still can't shut up.

    People like @MisterAnarchy should not bemoan Trump facing his justified court proceedings. They should breathe a sigh of relief. Relief because it opens the door, if only just a sliver, for a halfway normal Republican politician to step into the potential void and bring the American right wing back to some state of normality. Not the shrieking cesspit of anger and conspiratorial thinking they have descended to over the last ten years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    "People like @MisterAnarchy should not bemoan Trump facing his justified court proceedings. They should breathe a sigh of relief. Relief because it opens the door, if only just a sliver, for a halfway normal Republican politician to step into the potential void and bring the American right wing back to some state of normality. Not the shrieking cesspit of anger and conspiratorial thinking they have descended to over the last ten years."


    Trump should be grateful, too. Most failed coups don't end the way his has, with a trial by his peers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Always a classy act.....

    Whatever you think of his politics, he is very much a disgusting and vile human being.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    A little bit back, I had speculated that Trump would call Chris Christie a 'fat loser' if Trump were to face him in a debate. This clip has not allayed that suspicion. I don't think Trump would let civility stand in his way if he felt on opportunity to pop the crowd with a cheap ad hominem insult.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,504 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    A TV debate without a live audience would be better at grilling candidates and would not suit Trump.



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