Same "leap" was made by the ADL, too. They kinda know antisemitism when they see it:
"Jonathan Greenblatt, the CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, decried the comparison, calling it “factually incorrect, completely inappropriate and flat out offensive.”
It seems like you just read the first paragraph or so, which is sad since there was a lot more to that article. I think this quote captures its essence - do remember that the interviewees, are scholars of the Holocaust.
"Roth: Polling done by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) in the spring of 2023 indicates that antisemitic incidents in the United States are at the highest level since the ADL began tracking them in 1979. More than 3500 such incidents—harassment, assaults, vandalism—took place in 2022, a 36 percent uptick from 2021. "
and "Antisemitism infects Donald Trump in ways that make him a transactional, performative-when-advantageous antisemite. What serves his self-interest is good. What doesn't is bad. His constituents often trade in antisemitic tropes. Trump won't denounce those who advance them if having dinner with them instead is more to his political advantage. Although Trump touts that his daughter, Ivanka, and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, are Jews and that he has Jewish grandchildren, Trump deplores the failure of Jews to support him while he has supported Israel. Trump's pals include antisemitic white supremacists. He attacks influential Jews such as George Soros and Janet Yellen. He depicts American Jews as having dual loyalty, implying that Jews can't be trusted as true Americans. "Disloyal Jews" are Jews who support Democrats. He'll portray Hillary Clinton with a Jewish star and stacks of currency in the background"
Walks, talks, quacks like a duck, I give you Donald Trump, antisemite
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as predicted, because Trump's team have been told to attend before the presiding judge in DC, they are alleging that he is being silenced.
Firstly, I ****ing wish!
Secondly, this is not a free speech issue. When on bail, your rights are restricted. That is a fact. That includes certain things that you can discuss, or state, such as threats, either implicit or explicit. Of course, his base have the attention span on a gnat so his mouthpieces will regurgitate buzzwords and they will gladly get outraged.
The whole thing has nothing to do with "Free Speech" or the 1st Amendment.
He is being charged for things that he is alleged to have done not things that he allegedly said.
And like you say , Bail restrictions are a legal component of the terms of your release on bail.
They can limit the places you can go , the things you can do , the people you are allowed speak to etc. etc.
It's called the law.
One for the ages. A former President not understanding that his first amendment rights also applies to every other American. Even the ones he doesn't like.
You can say you have a million dollars in the bank (even if you have only $100 in there). Trump isn't being indicted for this.
You can tell your mates you've a million dollars in that bank. Again, trump isn't being indicted for this.
You cannot go into that bank and demand that they give you your (supposed) million dollars. This is what trump is being indicted for.
Let's go Georgia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MAGA seems to just admit flouting law and order is the point now. Fox suggesting he will violate court orders simply to try and stick it to the judge. Any defendant doing that quickly finds themselves in the Find Out stage. They seem to think a plurality of voters won’t immediately see these as efforts to self martyr.
You know what, a week in jail for clear contempt of court would be exactly what is needed to test the Magaloons mettle.
It would be the perfect build up to a custodial sentence for one of the indictments
Alleging something (on fox for example) and saying something under oath are two different things...
Sadly the practicalities/logistics of putting Trump in jail for a week (or other short time-frame) make that highly unlikely.
Hard to know what kind of temporary sanction that could be effectively applied and Trump probably knows this.
They can prevent him from accessing information without lawyers etc. but in terms of his Social Media activity if the Judge were to put in place some kind of injunction against him , he would just say all the same things via a proxy like one of his idiot sons or any number of other mouthpieces that would do it for him.
A good suggestion i heard today was that any posts need to be vetted by his counsel(solicitors). That would ensure some accountability on their part, and easy sanctions if the direction is not complied with
Maybe they’ll let him build his own prison. If it’s good enough fo Pablo Escobar................
That potentially stops him , but then Don Jr. or Eric just take up the mantle of hurling abuse at witnesses.
And even at that , does anyone really believe that Trump would listen to his Lawyers or care if they got sanctioned for not controlling him?
If he did that , he likely wouldn't have posted 90% of what he has posted over the last 3 or 4 days.
Have the lawyers take parental responsibility for him. Acknowledge that it's not feasible to incarcerate him, but any actions he takes and the lawyers face the consequences... See how long they stick around then.
Don Jr or Eric are minor league compared to 45. They rant and rave all the time and nobody, even trump fans, listen to what they say.
As for their lawyers, if they faced sanction or even disbarment, then they would certainly care. As for Trump caring, if he wants to burn through the entire bar, then so be it. That will wear out the patience of the judge very very quickly.
Not a bad idea at all, La Catedral 2
So I’m curious about those poster who seem to believe the case against trump in relation to January 6th.
If Trump were to be convicted and a custodial sentence was handed down , it's almost certain that he would not be sent to any existing Federal prison facility.
Potentially he gets sent to a secure Military facility and moves into an Staff Officers quarters, essentially under "House Arrest" but not his house and not on his property.
As for their lawyers, if they faced sanction or even disbarment, then they would certainly care.
You forget, they believe if their client wins there's a good chance he might win the election again, and hand his lawyers pardons, nominate Aileen Cannon to the SCOTUS, etc.
We're not dealing with a normal case, not even a normal mobster/crimelord case.
Mobsters normally pay their attorney rather than sell them a pipe dream.
Trumps offer to his cronies..
Ruin yourselves today to save me and I pinky promise that if I win in 2024 I'll pardon you and get you your reputations back...
He would only regard those posts as 'liberal hysteria'.
Take everything Trump has done and is under investigation for. Imagine it was perpetrated by a member of the Democratic party. How big do you think the fallout would be in American news media? How many heads would be exploding? I think Judge Janeane Shapiro on Fox News would have to be airlifted to hospital, myself. They would all be going utterly - fúcking - BERZERK. This is not something any of us don't know, but it is worth restating from time to time.
The reaction to Trump's antics - antics which have utterly debased the office of POTUS - has been incredibly restrained from those on the other side of the aisle. Restrained by the Republicans, too, although for vastly different reasons. We know he's bang to rights, and he still can't shut up.
People like @MisterAnarchy should not bemoan Trump facing his justified court proceedings. They should breathe a sigh of relief. Relief because it opens the door, if only just a sliver, for a halfway normal Republican politician to step into the potential void and bring the American right wing back to some state of normality. Not the shrieking cesspit of anger and conspiratorial thinking they have descended to over the last ten years.
"People like @MisterAnarchy should not bemoan Trump facing his justified court proceedings. They should breathe a sigh of relief. Relief because it opens the door, if only just a sliver, for a halfway normal Republican politician to step into the potential void and bring the American right wing back to some state of normality. Not the shrieking cesspit of anger and conspiratorial thinking they have descended to over the last ten years."
Trump should be grateful, too. Most failed coups don't end the way his has, with a trial by his peers.
Always a classy act.....
Whatever you think of his politics, he is very much a disgusting and vile human being.
A little bit back, I had speculated that Trump would call Chris Christie a 'fat loser' if Trump were to face him in a debate. This clip has not allayed that suspicion. I don't think Trump would let civility stand in his way if he felt on opportunity to pop the crowd with a cheap ad hominem insult.
A TV debate without a live audience would be better at grilling candidates and would not suit Trump.
It's in keeping with his 12 year old's vocabulary and conversational style. Has about 8 adjectives he uses, and childish insults are the norm.
I think he'd be afraid of Christie in a debate - Christie's an ex-prosecutor and put Jared's daddy in prison. He'd shred Trump, and he's spoiling for it.
@Igotadose
If it were 2008, he'd shred Trump, back when the electorate were basically more interested in points of policy and reasoning that had some basis in objective reality. However, this has very much changed, with the Republican base at least.
Christie faces in insurmountable problem, and it is this - he is no longer an accurate representation of the Republican base, and I say that while commending his stance on 2020 and Trump's handling of it. He'd run into the same problem that Trump's opponents faced in 2016. Jeb Bush et al were playing "Let's have a civil debate". Trump was playing, "Let's wrestle in mud".
Agreed, Christie has little to no chance in the primaries. But he'd shred Trump in a debate, I think he can mudwrestle with the best of them - after all, Trump's just another perp and Christie's a prosecutor by training. It'd be fun to watch!
