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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,266 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    As I said, whataboutery.

    I don't give a f*ck what the party of infant grooming, school shootings and fascism says is or is not legitimate.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,248 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    61% of Americans don't buy Trump's narrative... a clear majority. Yet this is a problem for Biden and not Trump???

    Trump isn't running for Congress.

    Pretty desperate stuff.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    "Isnt this the crux of the Jan 6th charges against Trump?"


    Why don't you read the indictment and get an answer to your own question?


    TL:DR? No



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,794 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Who care if they believe it was legitimate or not, or more of them do. They have NO PROOF!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Isnt this the crux of the Jan 6th charges against Trump ?

    Nope. You clearly lied when you said you read the indictment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,708 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Are you now saying that the fact the prosecutor and judges are black women is unfair? Conspiring against his racism or what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I've been distributing this online as and when required.

    Please feel free to use it...

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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,225 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Thats pretty alarming that more people trust Republicans in Congress over Biden to deal with the major issues.

    It's very alarming because it proves that too many people buy the BS that Republicans would deliver better for the American people.

    Objectively speaking, Biden has done much better than a lot of people expected from him. He passed significant acts to help with the recovery from Covid, to help with infrastructure development, to cut down on inflation. All of which have shown positive responses.

    He has been close to perfect on Ukraine and is 1,000 times more Presidential in how he engages with the issues, the public and the media than the last guy proved to be at any point in the 4 years he was in office.

    Trump before the last election said he was going to jail Hillary, drain the swamp, hire the best people and get rid of Obamacare. He demonstrably, and catastrophically failed in every respect. Every one of them. That's aside from his acts that completely justified his double impeachment and all the rest of the sh*t that went on around the 2020 election.

    There is categorically no evidence to suggest that Trump in 2024 would be better than Biden, irrespective of the ages of them both, even if Trump hadn't so many indictments hanging over him.

    You should be asking yourself why so many Republicans may think as they do, despite the evidence in front of their eyes.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Firstly he kept oil prices low and the economy was growing up to covid. Secondly he managed to get a few middle east nations to make péace with Israel. Thirdly he cut business regulations. Fourtly by supreme court appointments he gave the right to individual states to decide on abortion. The 1973 judgement was flawed. The founders never had abortion in mind when they wrote the constitution in the 1780s



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Do you have a single fact to back up your views?



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Personally I like Republicans on social issues except abortion. However in terms of gun control and social equality I prefer the Democrats but even they are not great on social equality.

    They are both different wings of business party


    Trump is not suitable for any elected office but it would be naive to dismiss all of his policies or achievements

    The media in Ireland is totally bias against him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    There's a reason for that bias, it is due him for his actions. Which policies and achievements are you referring to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Ohh great are we bringing the founders intentions into this? So using your logic im assuming you think Brown V Board of education should also be struck down and allow segregation in schools again? While were at it since they didnt propose the 13th,14th or 15th amendments im guessing you think slavery should be made legal again? And they absolutely should return to only counting black people as 3/5 of every white person when it comes to congressional representation. Also we cant forget the 19th amendment, how dare women think they should be allowed vote!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Republicans still unable to get to the heart of the indictment - the fake electors scheme and the shakedown calls and the willingness to take things to blood on the streets/trial by combat, taking over the DOJ to use its letterhead to lie about the existence of evidence that the election was stolen - without gaslighting about this somehow being about people voicing their unfiltered opinions about election integrity. They still seem to be mounting their defense in a way someone might if they hadn't read the indictment: they think this is about free speech.

    Hillary indeed said much objecting to the outcome of the 2020 election, but the Obama WH and the DNC didn't send fraudulent slates of electors to DC, tell secretaries of state to 'just find votes' or cut off heads at the DOJ to lie about the election being compromised, they didn't storm the Capitol or the stop electoral count.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    Omg do you remember those nightly briefings. It was like a comedy show 😂


    Except people were dying :(



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Already mentioned a few. The media in Ireland don't really report on the USA fairly. Obama did **** all for his own people but you'd think he was a saint the way we prostrated ourselves when he arrived.

    He allowed the Syrians to gas their own people and had no policy in Afghanistan. Brad Pitt did a good film on his inertia there



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Jaysus the hysteria.

    No judgement in the 21rst century should be made on a constitution written in the 1780s except as general guides.

    Roe vs wade was flawed because it pointed back to a constitution that had no mention of abortion even a hint.

    The whole document could use an update



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,150 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    A large part of the media here was controlled by Denis O Brien, a great chum of the Clintons.

    People were brainwashed.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,266 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    So again using your logic all those decisions and amendments i mentioned should also be thrown out until a new constitution is created?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I didn't ask about Obama. I asked about Trump?

    He kept prices low alright. That is not sound policy in action, sorry, to a) troll OPEC and b) get a headline about exporting oil, could have just as effectively set a pile of money on fire. Trump promised the moon but in his entire term he never eliminated the debt (turns out: he thought he could just print the money... yah), he didn't reduce any deficit, he actually outstripped the pace the deficit climbed under Obama by almost double, his tenure LOST the economy 5 million jobs net, and while the GOP constantly begrudged Obama not getting annual GDP above 3.0% - Guess what feat Trump never pulled off? Covid isn't an excuse, you need a POTUS at all times, good and bad, war, crisis, famine, invasion. Trump made the economy into a glass cannon, with tariffs (passing costs onto US consumers), slashing taxes permanently for the wealthy, out of control spending, much of it crony. That's before I even talk about the PPP scandal. Not only did his policies utterly fail to have the effects it was promised they would, in many cases they had the polar opposite effect that it was promised to avoid. All the while weakening the stability of the economy (the "accomplishment" you list as "he cut business regulation") aaaaand.... *cough cough*, an economy with the equivalent of an immunodeficiency disorder, that was wholly unprepared for a pandemic.

    The Abraham Accords have done virtually nothing to quell the middle east.

    That you see his court appointments as an 'accomplishment,' of his, also categorically false. The GOP is a much bigger animal than Trump would have held up Scalia's seat and rushed to replace Ginsburg no matter who won the Republican Primary.

    "He gave the right to individual states to decide on abortion." No, the POTUS doesn't decide which rights to give and take. Why on earth do you think abortions were not in mind in the 1780s? When do you think abortions were discovered exactly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This is either sophomoric af or a pisstake. Not sure which.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,266 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    In fairness, it is a bit tedious as a non-American see all sorts of GOP grifters hide behind the idea that they can do whatever just because people who lived over two and a half centuries ago may or may not have approved.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Now That's What I Call Conspiracy, Volume 3!

    Volume 45...

    Also capitalizing on his lawyers publicly conceding one of the key allegations in the indictment:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "People were brainwashed"

    "Trump derangement syndrome"

    Why is it that when people see that the Emperor has no clothes, the problem is with them?

    There's nothing wrong with my brain. I observed, applied some critical analysis and then acknowledged the Trump is manifestly unfit for office, utterly utterly corrupt, racist, misogynistic and a bullshit artist of the worst kind.

    He brings out the absolute worst in people, destroys lives, is completely disloyal and deserves his comeuppance.

    You or others may disregard what I said or think, but believe me when I say, the problem is not with me.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Unfortunately, the era of Trump has completed a process that was ongoing for quite a while which was the division of truth in American politics. The sides can no longer agree on common principles. As a consequence, 'manifestly unfit for office' no longer has a universal meaning. I agree with you that Trump is unfit for office, and grossly so, but America's gone crazy. You can't reason with crazy people. The problem is that when, say, one third of the electorate is crazy, you can't not reason with them either. It's far too big a bloc to simply write off and pretend like they don't exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    You want to discuss parity? Then let's discuss Aileen Cannon, Judge on the mar-a-lago documents case, because you seem to be focusing on the judge appointment of the Jan 6th case yet shrink when it comes to casting the same gaze on Cannon



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    There's potentially a lot to speculate how this might change the political landscape but also Ron DeSantis is a feckless tool who has only managed to not alienate neo nazi types.

    Allll of them are going to be pilloried this cycle because the vast majority of them defended this ****. And all of them knew very damn well what the facts were on this case, most of them in real time. They were not in the dark about 45s criminal and seditious culpability, many of them may still be unindicted coconspirators, the DOJ has indicated they are not done investigating other individuals. Either way DeSantis is the weakest test balloon, if MAGA voters nuke DeSantis into space with this latest 'Brutus' maneuver, GOP may again get the entirely wrong messages about what to do next. But one things for sure, these candidates are not taking Kari Lake's advice to suspend their campaigns behind Trump, lol.

    As to the holdouts saying oh they're out to get the criminal, how dare they: they say the exact same thing about Watergate.

    Which shouldn't be surprising in the least, when you consider all the ties between Nixon and Trump. One feels like a continuation of the other in many respects. But it shows you what their whole mindset is, when you're talking to MAGA these are people that don't believe Nixon was a crook, and what more, they think Watergate was a coup to overthrow Nixon. Let that sink in. Now contextualize that with Trump. What did they say in impeachment 1, #1 argument 'oh, you're trying to undo an election,' 'this is a coup' etc. and now they see this as a coup. It couldn't be any clearer to anyone else that isn't on the side of abjectly insane denialism: Donald Trump is a massive **** crook, and he would in fact get a perverse thrill out of being regarded as the biggest crook of all time.



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