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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Just watching a bit of that town hall thing.

    "So, that rigged election..."

    "Mr Trump, there's no evidence the election was rigged."

    "Huh. So, anyway that crooked rigged election..."

    The host got steamrolled and CNN essentially aired An Audience with Donald Trump. If Netflix had produced it, they could have put it under the category of standup and it would have been their biggest special of the year.

    Trump looking like he's having a great time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭francois




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    We'll see... Biden has brought the world to the brink of nuclear Armageddon, so it's not like Trump has a high bar of achievement to get over if he gets into office. He just needs to be a bit less useless than Biden.

    And objectively speaking, he was considerably less useless than him the first time around. Both in terms of the economy and avoiding dangerous military conflicts. We'll never know if Trump could have done something different to avoid this mess in Ukraine. I suspect he very well could have. But one thing is for certain, Biden is doing nothing constructive to bring this conflict to a speedy conclusion. In fact it looks to be the opposite, his administration is playing a very dangerous game with all of our lives by deliberately refusing to broker any peace deal.

    I don't really care how many people on here have a pathological hatred of the guy. I don't much like him either as a person, but I try to look at things objectively. And I think a lot of Americans do as well. Trump will be seen as worth voting for, as the "anyone but Biden" candidate, in a sort of role reversal from the last election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭francois


    He hasn't brought the world to the brink of nuclear armageddon, utterly ridiculous hyperbole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,656 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "We'll see... Biden has brought the world to the brink of nuclear Armageddon.."

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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    So when is trump heading to jail?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,266 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Everything Trump Touches Dies. Now, it's CNN's turn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,170 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Odd that you say you look at things objectively when you do the exact opposite.

    You have given Trump a free pass on everything. Why have you no issue with his disastrous handling of Covid, where he was more focused on political point scoring that people's lives. Or his complete failure on health care, admitting that it was far more complicated than he thought. Or his failure to deliver on his economic agenda, giving massive tax cuts to the wealthy and getting little economic uplift in return. Or his failure on the wall. Or what about him losing his serial battery and defamation case. Or his payments to shut up a porn star.

    How about his lying? Or his attempt to steal the 2020 election?

    None of that matters to you, because objectively Biden is worse for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @Run Forest Run

    We'll never know if Trump could have done something different to avoid this mess in Ukraine. I suspect he very well could have.

    He would have stalled, he would have equivocated, he would have brought petty politics into it, and he would have openly bickered with his military officials, just as he bickered with his top doctors during the height of Covid. He would have pressured Ukraine into taking an utterly oppressive peace deal which would have seen the country cede territory with little to no security guarantees in return, and god knows what would have happened to Zelensky and his government officials. In the process, he would have driven a wedge between the U.S. and Europe by abandoning Europe in its time of need with the usual blah, blah, blah NATO is obsolete shítetalk, forcing Europe to militarise to counteract the Russian threat and assert its interests around the world, essentially creating another power and putting a serious dent in U.S. hegemony. Well done, Donnie.

    Trump's alright when he inherits a stabilised economy from his predecessor and rides that wave, but he goes to pieces when real leadership is required. Let grown ups handle the Ukraine situation, not a 76 year old child.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,170 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Yes, on that line of 'my will never know'. We have a pretty good idea given the result of his four years. He was completely subservient to Putin in Helsinki, even siding with Putin over his own country. we know he tried to withhold support from Ukraine before, so why you do think he would threaten them again to get them to agree to whatever Putin wanted?

    So even if you opt to ignore all of that, on what basis are you thinking that Trump would do better? Why not even worse? What are you basing your bias on him getting it done? SUrely not just because Trump says he would do it? Like he said he would build the wall, or fix Obamacare, or give tax cuts to the middle income earners, or clear the national debt.

    How, objectively, have you arrived at the position that Trump would do a better job?



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Personally, I think Trump and the Republicans had some good policies but the Man is just not suited to high office. Patently clear.It would be great for Biden if he ran because he will gather no new Voters (trump)

    Biden is not a great candidate. He has been a good president but doesn't campaign well but he is hoping Trump gets the nomination.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    I think you are wrong there. There was a lot of hostility to the war in Europe. In the Media



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,480 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Trump's "solution" to the war in Ukraine would be to do everything he can to pressure Ukraine into giving up something to Russia, just so he could claim he ended the war in Ukraine.

    Despite the fact that Russia invaded another country, are completely the aggressors and have caused the incalculable damage to the country and its people, and deserve f*cking nothing.

    Trump's "solution" would benefit Trump, then Russia, then the Ukraine, in that order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,989 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


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    Pretty much sums up the GQP and the 2024 election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,072 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    No, we already know he is putins bitch. there is nothing to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Can you name a few of these policies you liked?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,470 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I am still baffled that this man is still the republican's top choice for the presidency. WTF is wrong with America? Are there not very powerful people in the Republican party who can say enough is enough? What more controversy around him do they need.....weird people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,580 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It doesn't work that way. Establishment Republicans would get rid of Trump tomorrow, if they could, and they were pretty against him in 2016 right up until it became clear that he would be the nominee. For them, it's power over principle. They know that if they take a stand against Trump, he'll take half their base with him and render the party unelectable and that's not something they're willing to tolerate. Therefore, they're stuck with him.

    Look at Ted Cruz, if you can stomach it. He outright refused to endorse Trump at the 2016 RNC, but was phone banking for him a few months later. Then, he went away for a little bit, grew a beard and came back pretending he was with Trump all along. That's the mindset in that party. Most of the politicians in that party who were against Trump openly have been purged from it. Others have probably just stayed quiet or are pretending to agree with him, like Cruz. Trump is literally not going anywhere until he dies or the base turns on him. That's it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    In reality, giving Russia some of what they want (or already hold) is likely the only way to end this thing. Trump would be pragmatic enough to recognise that if it is the case. I don't think he cares much about Ukraine or Russia, he cares more about his own nation and also preventing this thing turning into a much broader catastrophic global conflict - because that is bad for everyone.

    There is next to no chance of Ukraine winning outright and pushing Russia out of all their territory... that much is abundantly clear to most intelligent observers. It's only those that have been completely bought and sold by propaganda who believe in that possibility. (which is amusing considering many of these same people consider Trump to be lacking in intelligence, yet he has figured out the obvious reality on the ground in Ukraine, while his haters are still believing in a fantasy outcome that will never happen)

    I'm sure Trump will also be well aware of how big a role his own nation has played in this conflict, and how big a role they are playing in making sure no peace deal takes place. He would be privy to far greater information on exactly what has been taking place, than all the armchair amateur geopolitical "experts" on forums such as this... (no offence intended of course)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    You are wasting your time trying to be objective with the guys on here they can see no positives from Trump's time in power. Terminal TDS

    Funny how Russia didn't invade Ukraine whilst Trump was in power. But as soon as Putin saw the state of US's withdrawal from Afghanistan under the Biden Administration. Putin knew well Biden's ties with the Ukraine you can be sure.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,266 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It isn't. Russia a sh*theap of a country desperately clinging on. Trump was nothing more than a simp for Putin and other tyrants. I doubt he'd be able to find Ukraine or Russia on a map.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    The sad thing is Trump had some good policies but his antics, sexual history and down right lies get in the way of him presenting himself as a credible candidate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,266 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,866 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    and also preventing this thing turning into a much broader catastrophic global conflict

    He quite clearly does not give a **** about that.

    how big a role they are playing in making sure no peace deal takes place.

    Russia systemically murdering and raping Ukrainians in occupied territory is what is ensuring there is no peace deal taking place


    Anyway, no matter what your view on the conflict, Trumps claim that he would solve it in one day is quite clearly complete and utter buffoonery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    Oh yeah, I'm well aware of this mentality. Hence why I said their "pathological hatred" clouds their judgement.

    As I've said, I don't really like Trump as a person. He's obnoxious, narcissistic and a bully tbh. But for me those things are not automatically a deal breaker when compared with choosing someone like Biden. Despite Trump's annoying character flaws, I don't think he is anywhere near as dangerous as many people try to portray him on the political left. And he does have some effective leadership qualities.

    Biden on the other hand, while he appears like a very mild tempered individual by comparison, his decisions while in office have shown that he is a far more dangerous leader. He is dangerously incompetent, and like I said he has brought the world closer to the edge of the cliff than anytime certainly in my lifetime. That's all I really care about. I don't play the identity politics game, I leave that nonsense to other people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,866 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    For what its worth some of his criminal justice reform policies were good.

    He only did them cause Kim Kardashian asked and he's a simpleton but they were still good.



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