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Second Captains Part II

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,851 ✭✭✭Raoul


    For the reasons outlined on second captains.

    All the distractions before the world cup (Vera had the athletic look into the allegations prior to the world cup).

    Replacing players that got Ireland to the world cup by a few American born players. In particular Sheva who was absolutely awful.

    Reluctance to change tactics during the games.

    Her negativity prior to the games and not really giving us any hope of competing against these teams.

    Not one single player coming out and saying that they want her to stay on. That's the biggest thing for me.

    Throwing McCabe under the bus too. Regardless of whether McCabe was rightly or wrongly calling for a sub, you shouldn't be airing that in public.

    Plus, why didn't she actually put fresh legs on? They were badly needed.

    The team seemed to be less fit than the other teams. So maybe she isn't at the forefront of physical training unlike what she thinks.

    I do like Vera though and she has done unreal to get Ireland this far. I hope that if they don't renew the contract that things stay amicable. Just seems like there are a lot of distractions.

    What do you think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭deisedude


    Threw her captain under the bus and then reversed over her.

    Vera disclosed far more information than she needed to about her exchange with Katie saying Farrelly should have been subbed off.

    FWIW I think Katie was wrong too but I assume players would shout towards the bench the whole time but the manager should have brushed the question off in the interview as 99% of managers would do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke


    Thanks for those reasons. I've no opinion on the matter myself, due to lack of knowledge. I basically only know what the 2nd Captains have told me and I've only being half listening to be honest.

    I see that she might have lost the dressing room because of those new players. I don't think the other reasons are that bad though, to be honest. Were we expected to do any better (genuine question)?

    Maybe she's twigged that she mightn't get her contract renewed and as the dressing room hasn't backed her, why should she back the person who might be the ring leader of dissent. I think that what McCabe did by continually arguing with the manager asking for another player to be taken off was very wrong. If I was the manager and didn't give a **** anymore, then I too would give her both barrels. If McCabe is butthurt by it, then she should look at herself in the mirror.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,851 ✭✭✭Raoul


    I think before the tournament we probably weren't expected to do much better. But none of the teams looked far superior to us and Vera didn't change it up. It really felt like there were points there to get against all the teams. Sheva gave away the penalty but Vea played her out of position. Sheva is like 5ft 2, she shouldn't really be near the defence.

    It was very much like the Trap era.

    I don't know if what McCabe did was wrong tbh. It was pretty clear we needed fresh legs and Vera didn't look like she was making any changes. McCabe is entitled to complain in the heat of the moment. I think you can forgive a frustrated footballer for that. I think Katie is great, she is our best player and I never see her losing the head with other players who are of lesser quality.

    Vera is very calculated in what she does and says. She easily could have not stoked the fire. Katie will be the face of the team for the next few years so it was miscalculation by Vera to throw her under.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    A bit mad that Ken thought McCabe was telling Pauw to shut up with that emoji, would have thought it obviously meant 'I'm saying nothing'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,803 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    I thought he was trying to troll Eoin and Murph



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭jones


    I think he just got the wrong end of the stick on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,150 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    "Another win for Vietnam"

    I'll give Murph credit, that one made me laugh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,132 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    I have a swiss army knife keyring and use it constantly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I once gifted a man a blue Swiss Army knife, he almost instantly chopped off a substantial chunk of one of his fingers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I cannot wait for the premier league to return. The woman’s World Cup is not doing it for me.

    I wonder if Frank will make an appearance this season, third time lucky as Chelsea manager ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,803 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    Finding it hard to get excited. City will probably piss it again, all the **** going on with Saudi Arabia too, find it hard to care anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 832 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich


    Same here. The Premier League is increasingly soulless. It seems that Ken feels similarly going on his lack of enthusiasm for the start of the season. Maybe it’s partly put on but I do wonder if he’s a bit disillusioned with the whole thing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,803 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    That was my first hearing of Paul Flynn's tweet. I'd have no issue if Clifford didn't win player of the year, I'm not entirely sure of he deserves it really but Paul Flynn sounded like a bl a knob saying he was 'smoked'. Seems needlessly aggressive for someone who is meant to be a pundit/analyst

    He had a poor game but that was more down to his decision making than Dublin nullifying him

    Murph made excellent if not slight depressing points on how Clifford could have had such a bigger impact



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    Flynn is very good when talking about systems and that, he wears the blue tinted glasses at times, same when he was coming out with that media bias against Dublin nonsense a few years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    Thought there was a bit of tension between Ken and Eoin today. Eoin has a bugbear against discussions that involve betting generally. Maybe I am reading too much into it! Just seemed a little bit of snapping back and forth today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,803 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    Where abouts in the podcast was that? I must not have been paying attention



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    Think Ken was discussing that the odds on Germany had them as second or third favourites. And some other example of countries that qualified like Morocco and Jamaica with high odds. Maybe Eoin just thought the bit was boring but I know betting has been a thing previously. Maybe I picked up on something that isn't there at all!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭jones


    No I think your right, Ken is the only one to ever bring betting odds into conversation and I've always picked up that Eoin in particular seems annoyed by it.

    As Ken said it's basically analysing data he even had a dig at Eoin at the end of yesterday's show about having no problem listening to lists of medal winners but gets excercised the second betting odds are brought up. I get the moral issues of gambling etc but surely speaking about the data is fair game.

    I agree with Ken FWIW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭C4000


    If I'm ever watching a sport or event that I wouldn't really be familiar with, I'd always look up the betting odds as they give context to what you are watching......in terms of what the fans/experts expectations are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Very hard to argue with any of that but having games on adds a bit of structure to the weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭dog_pig


    Ken might be shocked to learn that it was in fact an Irishman who first split the atom, he even won the Nobel Prize for it.

    Hahn won his for the discovery of nuclear fission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭elefant


    Maybe I'm just naive, but I don't think I've even once noticed any real friction between the hosts as gets floated on here every so often.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,031 ✭✭✭deisedude


    I never noticed it as friction either. Just slagging and having the craic between mates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭jones


    I don't think it's friction as such but I think it's clear Eoin has no time for gambling being mentioned on the show even if it's in relation to odds (which I do find interesting).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    Given the time the tweet was sent ( about midnight on Monday) i suspect it was a drunken tweet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 john_galt


    Second Captains is basically a sports conversation over a pint, light entertainment. There may be some appreciation the guys will be out of their depth (whether they realise it or not) if the conversation gets into an area where they cant determine if they are making an objective or subjective take



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,803 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    The Second Captains Saturday episode with Theo Dorgan is superb, I'd listen to him talk all day.

    Conan O'Brien on next week, that'll be good



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