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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    unkel, is the free fitting you mention a one-off goodwill gesture or is it something that an owner of an out-of-warranty S could reasonably expect? Also is there any way of finding out what warranty work has been done (other than asking the previous owners)?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    It’s standard across the S range. I had 2 done on my 2014 P85+ at the reduced costs.

    My 2016 P90DL didn’t need any so I’m guessing that already had the updated design.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-s/34392652

    Is this a good buy. I'm not interested in it myself just curious. Bad ad as it does not tell you what was replaced if anything plus it's a couple of grand dearer than the 25k Model S that was posted last week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yes, a very good buy. High miles and I'd say they paid very little for it as a trade in and they've underpriced it or want rid quickly. Tesla have pretty much exactly this car for sale themselves with very low mileage for €48k. That's too high but I'd nearly go as far that the one in your link is too low. They dropped the price by €3k a few days ago and it looks like it is still for sale. Goes to show that there aren't many people in the market for a 6 year old high end Tesla.


    The one that was posted last week was a 142 P(erformance) 85 (my former car), posted by me. The asking price was €25k but it was actually sold for €20k, an unbelievable bargain. The new owner is a boardsie, spotted my post and bought it. He lives locally to me and we met up yesterday for a chat 😀

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Leaf, new NCT, probably yours for €2500 cash

    (and it's not white and you don't have to pay several hundred quid auction fees on top of that and you can test drive it before you buy - sly friendly dig at one of the regulars here - he'll get it 😂)

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-2011/34627376

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    I test drove this twice and was very impressed with it. Few minor scrapes and scratches that you'd expect on a 6 year old 200k km car but you'd have to look hard for them. Car drove really well, absolute pleasure to drive. All switchgear and motors seemed to be working fine and no clunks, rattles or squeaks. Rear tyres were so bald that if it had been wet on my test drives I'd probably have written it off.

    Then I read this and started to get nervous -

    https://www.autoevolution.com/news/more-than-million-mile-model-s-helps-clarify-what-is-wrong-with-tesla-s-motors-218870.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,467 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    If you're going to turn up and try get 750 quid off a 3k car, better you than me!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I've done worse. And contrary to popular belief, I don't bring a gun and point it at the seller's head 😂

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That car has done almost 2 million km 😂 There is only one petrol / diesel car in the world ever that has done that sort of mileage on the original engine, and that engine was rebuilt from scratch several times too (Trigger's broom - still the same broom but the head and the handle were replaced many times)


    It's an early Model S, they had issues with motors and batteries and allsorts. The facelift Model like the car you test drove, isn't known for any major issues and is far better built with a much more premium interior than the early cars.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    This car was imported from the UK with 167k km two years ago. Is there any reason why the remainder of the 8-year motor/battery warranty might be invalidated? And, just to put you on the spot, if you had the choice would you go for the 6 year old S at €30k or a brand, spanking, new Model 3 at €42k?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,639 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    If I was in the market for a Tesla right now I’d be keeping my eye out for a €25k Tesla Model 3.

    Theres one in Mayo right now and after talking to the seller on behalf of a friend, it seems like they would take very close to that figure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    8 year unlimited mileage warranty still applies

    And the second question depends very much on what you need and value in a car. Would you rather a 6 year old BMW 745i to travel in ultimate comfort and speed with lots of toys powered by a smooth self breathing petrol V8 or a brand new but slow 316d with a tiny smelly force fed tractor engine? (I know not a fair comparison, but I made these same decisions 20 years ago and did actually buy older BMW cars with large V8 petrol engines)


    For me it's easy as I simply need a large hatchback. The Model 3 is not large and doesn't have a hatchback 😂

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    That must have sold as I do not see it up on DoneDeal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    There will be others. A regular on this forum paid €25k last month for a 2020 Model 3 LR AWD last month. Plus auction fees, but still.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,639 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Your right, its sold now. It was 192 with high ish mileage but I imagine it sold close to €25k, as he accepted €27k over the phone straight away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,337 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Ah, I can see the sword is your preferred negotiation tool 😉😂

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,295 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    The truer question is if something goes wrong. Example someone hits your car. Which one will be back on the road quicker? And can you live with being off the road for longer. My money might be on the Model 3 in this regard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭Paul Kiernan


    With so many different specs for different markets and models it's very hard to work out what features the 2017 Model S has!

    For example are memory seats standard? Key for me as my wife will be driving it half the time! Are there any parking assist features? Can you lock/unlock with your phone? Can you preheat the cabin on a timer? It's hard to get this type of information as the dealer selling it doesn't even know!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Not really that hard and I'd be fairly confident that all Model S have that. Not only that but as long as you have 2 keys, one for you and one for your wife, if you enter the car (without touching any button or use any key), the car knows who it is and will put all the settings in place that are in your profile. My wife wants range in km, I want it in percentage SOC. The car knows that. I kid you not. All Teslas had that over 10 years ago. Also if you run the VIN through a VIN calculator, you can find out exactly what options the car has. Mind if the car was subsequently sold by Tesla, some of those options might have been removed by Tesla, mean bullies that they are.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭80sDiesel


    What did that 20k Tesla that was sold cost the owner in depreciation in the 2 years.

    Guessing he bought it for around ~40k?

    A man is rich in proportion to the number of things which he can afford to let alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    €35500 which was a good price at the time. Cars in general were in a bubble then, which well and truly burst when Tesla lowered the price of a new Model Y twice significantly over a 3 month period from late last year. He did put up 70k km though with zero maintenance apart from tyres. And saved a fair few bob on fuel, tax and tolls. And I feel he sold it too cheaply. He had only reduced it in the last few months from €33k to €25k, he was keen to move onto something new.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭creedp


    There's hope for us used car buyers yet if a guy is prepared to drop €13k from asking price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    He was mad to let it go for 20k. As if a guy was there looking at a car you had up for 25k he is not in his head saying I will only pay 20k. Some guys always start at a low number like 20k just to start off, and I would usually tell them I'd rather keep it. The guy selling must have said yes straight away rather than start off negotiating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Well the €33k asking price was a good few months ago with fresh tyres afaik. But yes I agree he let it go madly cheaply. The car has 16 battery packs, which sell for about $900 each on eBay. Probably a bit more once you can show the docs that this battery was refurbished by Tesla less than 3 years ago. And cars have dropped dramatically in value in the last 5-6 months. And the market is stale. So if you want to shift a car, you have to make it seriously cheap.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,354 ✭✭✭✭event


    Wasnt sure what thread to use for this one. But thinking of purchasing a hybrid soon enough, either self charging or plug in. I dont have a charger at home so if go a plug in, that would need to be purchased/installed. Im pretty green around this and not sure what type to go for but saw this online and looks pretty good. I havent seen this make/model advertised or mentioned much in the EV conversations so not sure if thats a good thing.

    What would be the thoughts around it?

    https://www.billgriffinmotors.ie/vehicle?id=v1qgp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Its a Japanese import, if I was buying it, I would get it from japan for around 4000 less,

    Get the charger installed, sooner or later your going to do it anyway.

    That hybrid would probably return 50 mpg, a plug in would do anything from 20 to 50 km on electricity depending on the car, it would require knowledge of your usual commutes to recommend one.

    I had 2 hybrids and on my 4th phev, 4 cars from japan and 2 from the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,639 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    That car is just a standard hybrid. No different to any other petrol or diesel car really. They don’t get discussed much in these threads.

    You should probably decide if you want a plug in hybrid which can be charged and driven purely on electric power, or a regular hybrid which just starts/stops at low speeds.

    You could start a new thread and people will advise on best options. This isn’t really the thread to do it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,141 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Definitely start a new thread asking for advice and opinions. Include your current car needs, your daily commute and if you travel Dublin to Cork every couple of weeks/months. What is your max budget, do you have a trade in. Do you have a driveway, or designated parking and what type. Then we can start to make suggestions.

    In general, though....a mild hybrid is just a petrol/diesel car with a piddly electric Assist thrown in.

    A PHEV is a petrol or diesel with an electric motor and small battery giving range typically 20-40kms on a full charge with fuel as a backup. Suits some but is seen as best or worst of both worlds depending on who you ask. Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, BMW 330e and Hyundai Tucson PHEV are examples.

    An EV is full electric. Range 100-500kms Nissan Leaf to Long Range Tesla. Range varies depending on many factors.

    Stay Free



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