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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭sk8board


    Joe Duffy had a late 221 ID4 77kw Pro for €46k and only 4,100km - sold now, but that’s great value for what is effectively a brand new car



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,866 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Why don’t you pop on over to the teenager thread and let the grown ups talk. I’ve been reading Unkels post for many moons now and he is a really good knowledgeable car owner who I always associated as been a beemer head and definitely not a Hyundai fan boy but his posts are definitely always informative and helpful especially in the ev threads

    Time is contagious, everybody's getting old.



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Was it you that was convinced by any chance, and you're now just bitter?

    Lesson learned. Do better research



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Mod Note: Move back to bargains, rather than personal attacks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    My GOM is showing 255km on a full charge at the moment. And it will do around that. 171 with 140k km



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭Firblog


    Don't see any of those as a bargain, not when compared to this one:= Hyundai Ioniq (202) 0% Finance EV Summer Sale Event - Linders - The Car People - 3 years newer, much lower milage, and much bigger battery for 7.5K more? 0% finance also available, surely a better bargain?. Was going to change this year - seriously considered that ioniq in linders - but think that next year there is going to be a dramatic drop off in the price of 2nd hand electric cars so will wait till then.


    Also, what were the 4 cases against Tesla about???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,144 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Really?

    That's very impressive. Maybe it's the hills near me are what's killing my GOM. Like I said, I consider myself to be fairly light-footed (except for the odd burst), but 235km is the most I've seen. Still delighted with that mind, as it's more than adequate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Same myself, in summer it nearly always read 237km for some reason. Now I'm in Dublin, not much in the form of hills and I have a lead right foot. But I didn't really drive all that much on motorways either and that kills range if you drive at 120km/h GPS speed, as someone earlier said correctly that's about 128km/h indicated. Even in a very aerodynamic car like the Ioniq. Look we can argue about range all day. Over 3 years of owning it, I reckon I averaged about 14kWh /100km, which with an available battery of 28kWh gives a range of 200km, which is pretty much exactly like the EPA and WLTP figures.

    I guess a lot of people in here advise on range as in range until you really would be better off re-charging. I was referring to range. As in range until empty, back at the time several people in the German Ioniq forum drove the car unitl empty and the concensus was that on a warm day it can do 250km at 100km/h constant. Would I ever try do that myself if I needed to make a 250km trip? Of course not.

    I did do a 170km trip from Dublin to Waterford (no CCS points in between back in 2017) when we had run several errands in the morning before the trip and I ended up with 12% left or something like that, most of the trip was done at 120km/h. You will get about 180-190km/h in perfect circumstances at 120km/h until empty. Would I ever attempt a 190km trip and start off driving at 120km/h? Of course not.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭bootser


    Hi all, just looking for some advise regarding an EV purchase. I currently own a 28 Ioniq which I'm selling Thursday. My plan was to buy a 38 ioniq but have had my head turned by the id3 mentioned here a couple of pages back(24k 201 black pro version). The Ioniq Im looking at is a 22 white with cloth for 23k, the slightly slower fast charge doesn't bother me on the 38 ioniq but the longer range on the Id3 is really impressing me! Any one think I should go for the Id3? (BTW the hyundai has the 5year warranty don't know what the story with warranty is on the Id3)

    TIA!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,378 ✭✭✭KCross


    don't know what the story with warranty is on the Id3

    3yrs and 90k km's is the VW warranty. Its actually 2yrs unlimited mileage an then you get the 3rd year added if you keep the mileage below 90k km's so if its already above 90k km's you only have a 2yr warranty on the ID.3.

    Having said that, they are reliable so I dont think you'd have any particular worries.


    id3 mentioned here a couple of pages back(24k 201 black pro version)

    Is it really a 201? I dont think that's possible. They came out in ~ Sep 2020 so a 202 would be the oldest available.


    Any one think I should go for the Id3? 

    I think its down to your own preference really. Both cars will do the job fine so I think its your own decision really.

    Which one do you prefer to look at and actually drive?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭bootser


    Apologies! Yeah it's a 212. I love the Ioniq just afraid I'll find the id3 smaller in the back when transporting the kids and like the peace of mind of having a couple of years warranty on the car! I'll try to get a look at both this week so.

    Thanks for the advise on the warranty on the Id3, didn't no that and it means this car is effectively out of warranty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭September1


    ID.3 has 8 year/160k km battery warranty and 3 year/90k km bumper to bumper warranty. I think ID.3 is larger inside that I28 and seats are a good bit higher. It is also slightly shorter, boot is way better shape and a bit more ground clearance. They typically have no heat pump so winter performance is not as good as Ioniq, but larger battery can compensate it. If you go with ID.3 make sure it has all recalls done as it is a lot of hassle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    ID.3 is considerably smaller in the back than Ioniq. If you have 2 kids, that's fine. But with 3 kids I wouldn't go ID.3

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭bootser


    Thanks, that's kinda what I was thinking alright. I only have 2 kids but like to have options! I suppose I can't say for sure till I eyeball it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Very much a personal choice. We had both an ID.3 and an Ioniq 28 for about a year. For four adults I think the ID.3 was a little roomier than the Ioniq, mainly because you are sitting higher with good leg and foot room in the rear. But the Ioniq was a cm or two wider overall on back seat, which would make a difference if carrying 3 in the back.

    Boot better in the ID.

    Check space in the newer Ioniq 38kWh. the battery does apparently raise the front seats, so may be less foot room in rear and less comfortable in front if tall.

    Also worth considering that the Ioniq is probably about 15% more efficient, but the ID.3 is a nicer and more sporty drive imo. Both very refined cars, the VW probably a little more so. And less beeps and bongs on the VW..😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,378 ✭✭✭KCross


    I've 3 in the back of mine all the time (not small kids either). Its not an issue.

    If you have 3 grown up teenagers/adults then different story. Not many cars in that segment can comfortably take 3 adults in the back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,378 ✭✭✭KCross


    it means this car is effectively out of warranty

    So the car you are looking at has more than 90k km's on it?

    Are you buying from a VW dealer? Maybe negotiate some warranty from them to ease your mind there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I guess if your kids are in between kids seats and pre-teen, it's fine. 3 adults comfortably in the back is something only the largest cars can do, certainly not Ioniq. But my 3 teenagers were fine in it. I guess before you buy you'd try the car with the whole family to make sure. Personally I was disappointed in the rear space of the ID.3 (advertised as having the inside space of a Passat - which was clearly a lie), it was the main reason I cancelled my reservation back in the day.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭creedp


    For me this claim by VW almost falls into the 'self charging' category for attempting to deliberately mislead the the uninitiated. In their defense I can only assume they are referring to the generous knee space for the 2 reasonably sized rear passengers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yeah I think someone measured the rear seat in ID.3 and it was something like 10cm narrower than in a Passat. That makes the car at least a full segment smaller by that definition alone.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 zozimus


    I was going to recommend a Kona 64kWh until you said that :) Great range but not so great on the space in the back. I regularly have two kids in the back though and so long as there's not a lot of luggage it has been fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,810 ✭✭✭fafy


    New Kona, is wider and longer, bigger boot also, saw one for the 1st time over weekend, EV version pricing,should be out soon, but larger battery version is likely to be close to 44k ish.

    There is a review of the non EV version here:

    https://www.completecar.ie/car-reviews/article/Hyundai/Kona/Kona_Hybrid_(2023)/2180/12561/2023-Hyundai-Kona-Hybrid-(2023)-review.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That's insane, that's well specced Model Y / poor specced VW ID.4 money

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    142 Model S 85 Performance, asking €25k

    This is my old car, I sold it early last year. The new owner has put up well over 60k km since then without issue. This is a well sorted car, I made sure everything important was replaced under warranty during my ownership. Awesome and fun performance (0-60 in 3.9s) without the faster but soulless all wheel drive of all the more recent versions of this car

    Full spec, all the expensive options ticked like Ultra High Fidelity audio, carbon fibre everything, 22kW AC charging, CCS upgrade, etc.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-s-p85-performance-model/32954960

    Ferrari performance with initial outlay and even total cost of ownership likely less than a new Toyota Corolla 😁

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,047 ✭✭✭k123456


    Did you have any issues with the flush door handles, and if so where they replaced under warranty



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,281 ✭✭✭zg3409


    the usual warranty work has been carried out like door handles (from ad)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Of course. Iirc 3 door handles were replaced under warranty. The pretty unique thing about Tesla is that when they find out a part isn't really up to scratch, they develop a better version that is backwards compatible. The latest gen of the door handles are far more robust. And if they fail now even on a Tesla out of warranty, Tesla charge you for the part, but provide the labour for free.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,141 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    @25k, what has the car cost him in around 18 months?

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,114 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I don't know, obviously back in early 2022 all cars were hugely overvalued, that's no longer the case. So he had a decent chunk of depreciation. But apart from tyres, there was zero maintenance and very cheap fuel, tax, insurance and tolls. So I'd say it will have been a lot cheaper per km than any other similar age luxury full size car. Petrol, diesel, hybrid, plug in or fully electric.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,639 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    How do you know theres been zero maintenance? You also mention the new owner has put up 60k without issue. Have you been chatting to him?

    Is €25k a good price for one of these?



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