Russia - threadbanned users in OP

obviously most people would like them to take large swathes of land back but on the basis that the lines dont change it will look like a failure if this hasnt been sorted by next summer. Attacking consumes more resources and men than defending so the Russian strategy could be as boring as do nothing until the other side exhausts itsself.

Well then , talk to Vladimir and tell him to go home immediately with his army. Ukr did not invite him into UKr .he invaded UKr of his own accord. Ukr had ABSOLUTLY no intention of attack/ invading / harassing / annoying Russia at any stage. It has enough to do to manage its own society/economy

And no Ukrainian soldiers would be dead if these Russian conscripts refused to pull the triggers on their rifles.

As the saying goes, 'If ifs and buts were candy and nuts...'

You can 'if' and 'but' your way out of anything, it's irrelevant.

Facts stand that these conscripts are in Ukraine on the ground killing and maiming Ukrainians.

OK, you are all right and I am wrong, everyone who is from a country whose armed forces committed war crimes in an unjust war is complicit.

Just studying this list to see which counties people I should hate: 

Note: I think everyone who has committed/initiated war crimes should be prosecuted.

It may be less certain of success than sending a person to murder someone, but it's also far less likely to leave behind evidence of one's involvement since there'd be no-one to see your face / car reg etc.

For a successful terror attack one wouldn't need to do any more than fly half a dozen "toy"drones armed with IEDs into a sports stadium or the like.

It's what's so frightening about the potential for drone attacks: just like the jihadists ploughing vans through crowds of people on Las Ramblas a few years ago, it's the kind of attack that could be carried out by any of us prepared to commit such attrocities but it has a far, far higher likelihood of the perpetrator being able to escape justice afterwards.

Kind of like a 9/11 but without the need for anyone to commit suicide.

Yip, although the US increased use of drones over the years in Iraq and Afghanistan it's now gotten to the stage now where they're a central part of warfare. Drones are being as much part of the front line infantry arsenal as a rifle.

When the first steel plated dreadnought was launched all wooden warships became obsolete and the British navy's supremacy of the seas was over.

I don't know if they are being trained anywhere else but I read this a while ago:

Some good Russians

Been quoted in a few spots

wonder if any aircraft doing unusual activity around there.

Sorry if this has been asked but whatever happened to those Russian anti Putin militants posting videos threatening him, are they behind these drone attacks?

Airspace violations tend to happen when you've got border with a country like Russia (or Belarus in this case). Next time they try that, the helicopters will get shot down.

I'm shocked Poland let this happen. Should have been a very strong red line.

Piss taking by Belarus

Unfortunately, maybe not

damage seems limited at least.

Sky news

Why are Poland and Ukraine calling in each other's ambassadors?A diplomatic row between Ukraine and Poland shows little sign of slowing down, with both countries calling in each other's ambassadors today.

It's a relatively rare breakdown between two neighbours who have been firm allies since the start of the invasion - but what caused it?

The row was sparked by top Polish presidential adviser Marcin Przydacz saying Kyiv should be more grateful for Poland's support over the years - similar comments to those from outgoing UK defence secretary Ben Wallace last month.

Mr Przydacz's comments angered Ukrainian officials - Ukraine summoned Poland's ambassador to the country for a meeting to discuss them earlier today.

A Ukrainian foreign ministry spokesperson also dismissed the adviser's comments as "untrue and unacceptable", with a stinging statement.

"We are convinced that Ukrainian-Polish friendship is much deeper than political expediency," the statement read. "Politics should not call into question the mutual understanding and strength of relations between our peoples."

That in turn has angered Poland. Warsaw has this evening called in Ukraine's ambassador, simply to discuss "comments of representatives of Ukrainian authorities."

But the cause of Ukraine's biting response may not be quite that clear-cut.

Mr Przydacz was also quoted as saying: "What is most important today is to defend the interest of the Polish farmer."

That has been widely interpreted as a call for the EU to let Poland extend its ban on imports of Ukrainian grain - a ban that is due to expire on 15 September. 

The EU had allowed Poland (as well as Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania and Slovakia) to stop imports because huge amounts of Ukrainian grain were stranded in the country after Russia blocked Black Sea ports, effectively driving up supply and massively cutting prices, affecting Polish farmers. 

Ukraine has long called for the ban to be ditched, saying it's "unfriendly" - so a top adviser's call for to continue is being seen in Kyiv as fresh hostility.

Edit: in repost to the guy saying the next one will be shot down if it passed the polish border.

These types of things happen very often and nothing is ever shot down.

It's a test to how quick can they react, a provocation or just a news paper story.

And it happens in our waters too.