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GAA Infastructure

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,625 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    They are right to fell isolated because the British don't give a fuk about them and barely know they exist.

    The sooner they come to terms with that the better.

    I think this bid makes Casement less likely because now the GAA can't fall back on a simplified design. Gonna be UEFA standard or nothing now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    If Belfast gets the boot hopefully Antrim GAA can move on quickley from it and get casement redeveloped in to a good 15k stadium with a new pitch,floodlights and stand along with reinstated terraces



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,201 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If they do not the Irish Government will step in and fast forwards Killarney development and that will be the replacement venue

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    To most people in the UK, the Paddies are being accommodated with Dublin being a host city, they'd much rather have another host city in their country than Belfast as another "Irish" host city. Obviously Belfast technically isn't an Irish city but that is of no relevance for a lot of people. I don't think it would go down well with the British taxpayer if the only stadium that has to be built for the tournament is on the island of Ireland and is for Irish sports but they have to pay a 9 figure sum for it.

    Unionists are in a strange situation where Belfast not being included leaves them more isolated from Britain but they also don't want a big GAA stadium built in Belfast. Watching their gymnastics as they try to articulate their position on wanting to be part of the tournament but not wanting the only stadium capable of hosting will be entertaining at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    There is no chance of that happening. The only conceivable alternative venue on this island is PUC and that is a long shot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,625 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,625 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Problem is it will be a good few years before it gets an official boot. Will be deadlines.followed by deadlines for a good while first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭HBC08


    The British government have complete contempt for NI.It was comical a few years ago when the DUP found themselves in a position of usefulness to the Tories and were then dropped like a hot sh1te when they were of no use a while later. Most on the street on the " mainland" don't know the difference between unionist and nationalist.

    A lot don't know the difference between NI and ROI.Theres a substantial anti Irish sentiment since Brexit. Trying to sell the idea of building a stadium at a cost of £120M for a foreign sport in Ireland rather than using many of the suitable stadiums in the UK to johnny Brexit in Huddersfield is not going to fly.

    I really hope I'm wrong though,having a first class GAA stadium built would be brilliant.Having it built and paid for by the the Brits would be a serious coup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,385 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    The British government are on the hook for a new stadium at Casement in any case. This is not a new stadium for the 2028 games, it is a stadium that is being built anyway that will have some additional modifications to facilitate the soccer. I expect they will also be spending some money elsewhere on stadia, transport etc to facilitate this bid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,625 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    This UK government cannot be trusted.

    Added to that the economy is not good and there will most likely be a new government before Casement starts so why knows.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Considering the GAA are off the hook for casement you'd think they'd at least cover Louth to build a new stadium. Potential for good support in the county but they literally have the worse setup in the country.

    Unfortunately the GAA don't "need" or "want" Louth winning so they'll get shafted.


    Same for Kildare if they don't support big upgrade efforts for that county.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,385 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    I am all too aware that they cannot be trusted. But at least we should be clear on the situation.


    I expect the GAA will support both Louth and Kildare on the same basis as they support other counties. These are popolous counties in a relatively prosperous part of the country, they should be fully expected to do their own bit also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The NI Executive may have agreed a plan to redevelope the three stadiums but I don’t see how the British government (i.e. Westminster) is on the hook for that. Certainly several governments later, there is nothing to force the current or next UK government to pony up for a stadium which they probably never even knew existed.

    The NI Executive obviously isn't functioning at present, doesn’t look likely to return any time soon, and even if it did, they won't have the funds for what is planned at Casement (and "ringfenced" means nothing, they won't have had such money sitting for almost a decade, and even if they did, it is only half the money needed now).

    Euro 28 is the last hope for this Casement plan and for that, things will have to start moving soon. I believe they haven't even done any enabling works yet. If serious about the project, they could at least have the old stands demolished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,625 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Some counties are just looking to blame boogie men for crumbling stands they should have sorted years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Just another in the long lost of negatives for Leinster counties outside Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,385 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Stadium development was an intrinsic part of the peace funding. The original plan was a shared stadium at the Maze, but that didn't fly so we had the split of the money. The British are currently running the NI budget in the absence of an Assembly and are fully aware of this and the history of it. As pointed out they may renege, they are perfectly capable of doing that, but do not pretend that they would be doing anything other than reneging on the GFA by doing this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I think it's all part of a general pattern for counties that are in a certain proximity to the Greater Dublin area. It tends to suck in investment and leave the others hollowed out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    The stand in Páirc Tailteann was built in the 1930s, but it was only in the middle of the 2010s that Meath County board started the process of trying to replace it.

    There's no big "Dublin get everything" conspiracy going on here, just plain old incompetence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭spot555


    I think Westminster will fund the Casement project to get the Euros bid over the line, the current British Government seems to value big glitzy events e.g. hosting Eurovision, major sports tournaments, their various Monarchy events, to (in my opinion) deflect from all the dodgy shite that the current lot in Government are doing - terrible Brexit deal, all the corrupt deals during the pandemic and afterwards etc just like (again, in my opinion) they try to distract the population with for example, their anti-migrant boats campaigns away from what I think many people would consider, more important stuff e.g. cost of living crisis/inflation, losing market access to the EU, increasing rents etc.

    Plus I do think the 'Union' element is a major factor at play here (even if Casement is primarily for Gaelic Games/will be used mostly by the nationalist community), the NI Unionists want to be treated as equal host partners along with the other nations (cannot see them dropping NI but including Scotland, Wales, England and the RoI as host nations), especially with the Windsor Framework situation at the moment I just simply cannot see them giving the finger (as much as they'd probably like to) to NI unionists at this period of time, would prob mean the end of Stormont if they did.

    The current UK Gov seems to like pissing away money on the above glitzy events mentioned and their various corrupt deals over the last few years so i dont think opening the chequebook for building a new stadium to clinch the Euros and treat the four UK nations as equals is a big deal for the current lot. They'll prob recoup the costs by giving the building contract for the stadium to one of their Tory donor mates and enrich themselves in the process... 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Not spending over £100m torebuild Casement Park would not be reneging on the GFA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    It looks like the UK + Ireland bid is the only bid standing, following withdrawal of the only other bid, so will win by default. In that context, there is no clinching to be done and it is easier to change a venue if required.

    I'd say the UK government will stay silent on the topic and let NI politics get in the way until there is no longer time to complete the stadium before the tournament. Then there is no choice but to switch to an existing stadium.

    I'm sure there are spending rules, minimum CBA, etc which the project will have to meet (I know the Tories generally ignore these but they'll hid behind them when it suits).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭spot555


    The other bid hasn't been withdrawn.

    The planning is fully approved now, the appeal against the planning approval has failed and the planning approval can no longer be appealed against, they can now start building once they award the tender (a process which does not involve NI politics) but just take for a second if they dropped casement and said they weren't going to fund the redevelopment of it. Firstly the nationalist community and political parties would be outraged that the third main NI stadium (of which is dedicated to Gaelic Games) that's been promised for over a decade as part of a NI Executive government three stadia programme isn't being built while the other stadia for (the traditionally protestant / unionist leaning) sports of rugby and soccer have been built and majority funded by the taxpayer. Especially in the context of the historic discrimination and inequalities the nationalist community have faced historically.

    Secondly the unionist community would be outraged that they're not being treated as equals to Scotland, Wales and England and that the republic of Ireland is being included whilst NI is being excluded, it simply wouldn't fly, especially when in the bid documents the ni soccer player (might be the captain..?) have been included front and centre alongside their UK and RoI counterparts.

    It simply wouldn't fly.

    Plus UEFA would be asking why have they changed from their submitted bid to only being two/three/four of the five nations they've mentioned and plastered all over the bid documents.

    Again, it simply wouldn't fly, in this case with UEFA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,625 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You forget that the English don't give a single sht if some nationalist paddies and some unionist paddies are upset at the same time. Most Westminster MPs including a recent NI secretary cant find the place on a map.

    UEFA probably don't care whether this is on in NI or an equally suitable English stadium instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,533 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    UEFA are not exactly inundated with bids. They will huff and puff maybe but accept it.

    See what you are saying about the British but they are currently a law onto themselves and are cutting budgets to NI and taking money intended for cost of living aid and using it to pay back the NI overspend.

    Not much by way of caring there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭spot555


    Money is ringfenced. Contract signed and in place between GAA and UK Dept for Culture Media and Sport. GAA have transferred over £15m to the Dept as shown in the latest GAA accounts. Dept has to deliver stadium now

    Your man Chris Heaton Harris has said that if they win the bid they'll find the money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I think you have more faith in the British Government than the British People



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    With Ulster Rugby looking to use grounds in Derry or Armagh could we see Clones being used in the future as its the biggest ground in ulster if Ulster got a home european 1/4 final. I know theres no floodlights but it could be an early kick off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,625 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I know some rugby grounds are not that great but GAA stadia are absolute kips by international standards so I don't see Ulster using Clones over Dublin. Especially seeing as Clones is probably more alien to an Ulster rugby fan than South Dublin is.

    Those other counties won't get much more than a friendly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Clones is nowhere near the standard required for a professional rugby game. If Ulster can't host an official game at Ravenhill (which is unlikely) then it would almost certainly be played at another rugby stadium owned by the IRFU.

    I would be amazed if Ulster played a pre-season game in a GAA stadium, surely Windsor Park makes more sense in every way. Probably just using the GAA stadium idea to haggle the price down for Windsor.



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