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Danzy · 30-07-2023 07:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120914559#Comment_120914559

Yet it will not.

Too much of Western Europe will not allow it

I agree with your points.

jackboy · 30-07-2023 07:55AM

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Can’t happen. The existence of the EU is already on a knife edge and there is every chance if it falling apart as it is. Funnelling EU tax payers money into Ukraine for decades would not be wise. No way will it happen.

pixelburp · 30-07-2023 08:03AM

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I hope this is true because I'm rightly sick of people criticising the Ukrainian offensive cos it's not moving like Sonic the Hedgehog. Like they should have skipped across this gigantic death trap weeks ago OMG FAIL. I'm not saying Ukraine's efforts should be beyond criticism, but there has been a persistent and unreasonable sledging of what must for Kyiv itself a frustrating but necessary slow advance.

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It has to happen theoretically, but Albania has been in the accession process since 2002 IIRC - you don't join the EU on a whim and even before Ukraine a deep malaise had set in over further expansion. I'd say Hungary and Poland's a la carte attitudes towards laws , the former's slow walk into despotism alarming - it has cooled a lot of enthusiasm for expanding past the 27 nations.

More likely would be a special trade and legislative arrangement between the EU and Ukraine, with some offset promise for EU membership if X happens: something like Norway where free movement might extend into the non EU county, along with alignment with Brussels across a slew of Kyiv's structures. There are a few countries who are tightly aligned with the EU without having actually formally joined the union.

Ramasun · 30-07-2023 08:06AM

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The EU is funneling money to North African countries to reduce migrant traffic.

It's not charity and Russia is far bigger threat to the EU.

Boggles · 30-07-2023 08:11AM

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Why would I have a timeline?

nacho libre · 30-07-2023 08:13AM

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120914595#Comment_120914595

They probably won't get EU membership, but I think they will have to be allowed to join Nato. I can't see America going to all this trouble only to agree to a frozen conflict, with all the risk that brings of hostilities flaring up again in the future without the security guarantee of Nato Protection.

Boggles · 30-07-2023 08:14AM

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The reality is Ukraine don't have a choice.

riddles · 30-07-2023 08:14AM

Putin had thrashed the Russian economy. He has dispelled any hint of real economics to keep it afloat. Oil and gas prices are so low it’s selling product at cost. Buying up debt and creating future borrowing that will never be repaid is the reality. Even at that it appears soldiers are not getting paid in a consistent way. A Collapse in FDI and a brain drain exodus are all factors ticking away. It’s just remains to be seen the extent of the sting of the dying wasp unfolds.

jackboy · 30-07-2023 08:36AM

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Strategically the US have been massive victors in this war. The threat of future conflicts in the region would be ok to the US. Russia and Europe being at peace, thriving with increasing economic links would be a far bigger threat to the US.

nacho libre · 30-07-2023 08:46AM

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They are going to beholden to China just to stay afloat. I can actually see a situation developing whereby Putin is viewed in a worst light than Gorbachev by many Russians . The man who humiliated his country on the world stage and reduced it to an economic basket case in pursuit of deluded grand imperial ambitions to right the wrongs of the break up of the USSR. Sorry Francie I can't give you an exact date for all this.

Rawr · 30-07-2023 08:51AM

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That question was designed to seed doubt, little more than that. So are the almost exclusively negative reports of Ukraine’s progress, as was the rushing on here to report the first destroyed Leopard tanks damn near like a kid on Christmas morning.

Some of it could be characterised as trying to offer a balanced view on the conflict, but that veneer is quickly washed off when the reports nearly exclusively focus on the many ways Ukraine have failed, thus suggesting (without even saying it) that Ukraine should give up. Either by design or by influence, the intention is to seed doubt for supporters of Ukraine.

The trick is, in trying to offer a “balanced” view, some posters might neglect to realise that this is a conflict with one clear aggressor: Russia. The collective will of nearly the entire civilised world is for Ukraine to prevail, and for Russia to be defeated. We are well aware, and have discussed in detail the difficulties that the AFU will face in this conflict, but the bulk of us clearly wish for and support a Ukrainian victory in this war.

This is this mindset that the Russias want to take from us, and posts like that are designed to do that.

zv2 · 30-07-2023 08:59AM

Nice to hear the Russians squealing for once

https://twitter.com/WithyGrove/status/1685576316974714880?s=20

nacho libre · 30-07-2023 09:01AM

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Yes. A weak Russia probably has the neo conservatives and right wing Republicans salivating. This conflict has turned out better than anything they could have hoped for from their perspective.

However future conflicts in Europe could destabilise the world economy though, which would impact America.

Rawr · 30-07-2023 09:08AM

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I have a slightly grimer projection for the Russians. Not only do I see the Russian Federation disintegrating into *at best* a vassal of possibly China, but given the demographic timebomb they already had long before this war, and the severe damage they have done to a huge chunk of what would have been the next generation: in our lifetimes we might actually see a sovereign nation die of old age.

This is been a danger in a lot of the Western world too, due to lowering birth rates. But there was always at least a decent chunk of births happening, and people had a knack of wanting to continue live in the Western world, not to mention immigration adding to that number too. But with Russia, we have a mass flight of youth, the mass death of the same, and a depressed aging population that face a future where there will be noone left to run their country.

This is is why they stole children from Ukraine. This is part of why they are looking for “Russians” to add to their number and kick off conflicts like this war. They face a future where there might be barely anyone left to bury them when the time comes.

30-07-2023 09:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120914785#Comment_120914785

China is right there with them, on this front

Ramasun · 30-07-2023 09:16AM

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You make it sound like Putin is an agent for the US.

Europe and Russia were at peace and creating a strong economic relationship which could have been a counter balance to US global hegemony until Putin appeared and wrecked it all. It does all look a bit too convenient for the US.

roosterman71 · 30-07-2023 09:30AM

Would anyone know why the occupied parts of Ukraine are excluded from this map on the Russians military site showing military districts? It only includes Crimea

https://structure.mil.ru/structure/okruga/south/news.htm

https://twitter.com/nadinbrzezinski/status/1684676855545409540?s=20

EltonJohn69 · 30-07-2023 09:31AM

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It would be great to see them die off. An awful nation, contributes nothing but pain.

Say my name · 30-07-2023 10:08AM

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We'll see more of these terrorist attacks from the Kremlin on Russia to get the narrative from outside countries calling for peace and negotiations.

It really shows how badly things are going for the Kremlin and Putin if they are resorting to this.

Furze99 · 30-07-2023 10:20AM

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It's hardly likely, never underestimate the basic sex drive of humans. When this war is over, Putin's regime is dissolved and some everyday normality brought to Russian society, then they'll have a post war baby boom. Lie back and do your duty for Russia etc.

jmreire · 30-07-2023 10:22AM

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The cost of the war in Afghanistan was one of the reasons they pulled out. It was bankrupting them.

storker · 30-07-2023 10:24AM

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Meanwhile Jacob Rees-Mogg is chiding the UK public for having less than six kids per family. It doesn't seem to have occurred to either him or the other dickhead Putin to structure society and the economy so that having more kids becomes a realistic and affordable option for those that would like to do so.

storker · 30-07-2023 10:26AM

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There's a precedent...during the latter years of WW2, Hitler seemed to be doing as much damage to the German war effort as the Allies.

amandstu · 30-07-2023 10:31AM

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Sadly something new will take its place.It is a zero sum game(I fear)

We have economic progress,ecological catastrophism and a kind of socio political equilibrium .* Perhaps we will get the march of socio political progress resuming one of these decades but see how far we have/are falling back these past times.

Never again? Seems not.

*meaning 1 step forward ,1 step back

zv2 · 30-07-2023 10:31AM

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Bankruptcy in Russia is one of Ukraine's best weapons, if they can hold out long enough. I don't believe in Putin's 'forever war'.

Drumpot · 30-07-2023 10:37AM

With regards to Russia destabilising countries (like polish are saying is coming their way) what counter measures are countries taking?

It Feels like Russia is able to take these pot shots at countries without any counter strikes. Like a thief who keeps robbing stuff and the worst that happens is he gets caught and has to put the goods back until he tries to figure out another way to rob again.

Will everybody keep have to treat Russia with kid gloves and not provoke them or escalate things with them ? I don’t actually know what Poland/allies can do, but it just seems like we have to wait for Russia to destroy something before we can respond. It seems like we are always coming at the problem from the backfoot.

We know Russia is a basket case, they are trying to destabilise Europe and we can do is react when we know they are probably gonna do worse sh.8t.

pixelburp · 30-07-2023 10:39AM

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Based on what? Didn't something like 300k men flee Russia after the first mobilization? Couple that with the war dead, the ageing population and presumably how many women leaving rather than be battered legally - whither the next generation?

Japan is a country infinitely more prosperous, stable and well adjusted yet look at their demographic problems. Russia keeps piling on reasons for their numbers to shrink.