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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,732 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes, once the main Russian fortification lines are breached I think we will see rapid gains similar to what we saw in Kherson, and possible mass surrenders of Russians too, as their Morale could well will be broken by that stage. The only reason it is taking the Ukranians as long as it is to breakthrough is because the Ukranians are effectively fighting with one arm tied behind their back without air support. As we all know the Americans do it the other way around- pummel the opposition from the air then send in the ground troops to advance against a greatly weakened foe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The cynics and self-appointed realists would like to be able to say that they're the real adults in the room. Worth reiterating that in the event that Ukraine cannot push Russia out, there would be no satisfaction from being able to say, 'I told ye so', given what it would mean for the whole of Europe, geopolitically, going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    That train line is very revealing. If Ukraine can get closer enough for fire control over it that will complicate Russian logistics big time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,732 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Your last point is why I feel the West will be in this for the long haul even if the current offensive does not achieve all its aims. There simply is no alternative. Ukraine will be fast tracked into Nato as well to send a clear message to Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If Russia were to be pushed out of Ukraine, yes I could see a fast track happening, but not while Russia currently occupies the eastern and southern fringe of the country. As things stand, you would have to introduce exceptions to A5 to make it in any way workable, but that opens a pandora's box of exceptions in other possible situations and pretty soon A5 is meaningless.

    NATO would have to quite careful not to allow internal squabbles over Ukraine's possible accession to actually weaken the alliance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,732 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes, I see the dilemma it presents if you make exceptions for Ukraine others will want the same and it could cause divisions as you say, but it maybe worth the risk if there is a negotiated end to this conflict, because in that scenario Putin will spin it as a victory to his own people and it may embolden him to try again or even a successor to him. We have this idea that if Putin leaves the scene what comes after will be more palatable to the west. When the opposite could be the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭riddles


    If they have 36% alcoholics in the population that would fit life expectancy is 56 for males down from 62 in the 80s I believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭rogber


    Equipment and men. There was a Ukrainian army guy quoted on BBC the other day saying "we're losing five men for every hundred metres we gain" in some territory.

    Yeah, it's probably necessary, but it's so sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭zv2


    Turkey could give a huge advantage to Ukraine if they supplied them with artillery + ammunition.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,133 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett



    When is the implosion coming?

    What's your time line?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,133 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Rapid gains, mass surrenders.

    When do you anticipate these?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,363 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    They have done so (supplied ammuntion/shells) I believe (at least according to claims in I read in media at start of the year - below).

    I think they sell Ukraine this kind of stuff (similar to sales of the Bayraktar drones) but don't shout about it and certainly don't donate anything.

    At least Turkish cosying up to Putin + shafting of the rest of NATO did not go so far that they bow to Russia's will in that regard and refuse to sell Ukraine weapons. Have to be grateful for small mercies and all that...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭vixdname


    Theres a nightly show on Tiktok, Youtube and some other platforms hosted by a guy called John Aravosis, called the Aravosis Report - See links below.

    It starts at 23:00 Monday to Friday and for paid members theres a Saturday show where he has on some guests, usually including a Ukrainian military guy called "Vlad".

    Vlad was giving his update today and he said that Ukrainian forces had pretty much broken through the mine fields in and around Zaphorisha this week and were currently concentrating their efforts on hammering the russian trenches, both manned trenches and anti tank trenches but was confident the Ukrainian military would get through the trench lines thus enabling a large scale influx of Ukrainian soldiers to cause major problems.

    He said interestingly enough that the russians in some parts had laid too many mines too close to each other and by dropping bombs from drones and some cluster munitions, hitting a mine was setting of large amounts of other nearby mines and had effectively enabled the Ukrainians break open a clear path to drive their equipment through.

    He also said that the British Challenger 2 tanks were supplied with a kit that basically makes it into a bulldozing tank and they are clearing the dragons teeth with those.

    Hopefully this information is accurate and we'll see some major inroads towards Crimea etc shortly.

    The Aravosis Report (@aravosis) | TikTok

    John Aravosis - Wikipedia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,739 ✭✭✭storker




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Before we worry about reaching Crimea let's worry about Tokmak first. As far as I'm concerned they'll have to make a breakthrough in August otherwise Russia will be able to hold the lines until next summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ramasun


    A war of independence has no defined schedule or time limit.

    Irish people would know this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Imagine the cost to Russia as a nation if Ukraine keep fighting for 10 or 20 years.

    Up until now they've been largely going through stockpiles of already produced weapons. But if it goes on that long they'll have to rebuild those weapons and ammo over and over again. The cost of logistics alone their debt would be insane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    That's not going to happen, same as Ukraine will not be in the EU in 20 years time either .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,732 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    It has to happen. The risk otherwise is Russia trying again if there is a negotiated settlement. Putin will see that as a sign of weakness and probably renege on any deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Yet it will not.

    Too much of Western Europe will not allow it

    I agree with your points.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Can’t happen. The existence of the EU is already on a knife edge and there is every chance if it falling apart as it is. Funnelling EU tax payers money into Ukraine for decades would not be wise. No way will it happen.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I hope this is true because I'm rightly sick of people criticising the Ukrainian offensive cos it's not moving like Sonic the Hedgehog. Like they should have skipped across this gigantic death trap weeks ago OMG FAIL. I'm not saying Ukraine's efforts should be beyond criticism, but there has been a persistent and unreasonable sledging of what must for Kyiv itself a frustrating but necessary slow advance.

    It has to happen theoretically, but Albania has been in the accession process since 2002 IIRC - you don't join the EU on a whim and even before Ukraine a deep malaise had set in over further expansion. I'd say Hungary and Poland's a la carte attitudes towards laws , the former's slow walk into despotism alarming - it has cooled a lot of enthusiasm for expanding past the 27 nations.

    More likely would be a special trade and legislative arrangement between the EU and Ukraine, with some offset promise for EU membership if X happens: something like Norway where free movement might extend into the non EU county, along with alignment with Brussels across a slew of Kyiv's structures. There are a few countries who are tightly aligned with the EU without having actually formally joined the union.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ramasun


    The EU is funneling money to North African countries to reduce migrant traffic.

    It's not charity and Russia is far bigger threat to the EU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,732 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    They probably won't get EU membership, but I think they will have to be allowed to join Nato. I can't see America going to all this trouble only to agree to a frozen conflict, with all the risk that brings of hostilities flaring up again in the future without the security guarantee of Nato Protection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭riddles


    Putin had thrashed the Russian economy. He has dispelled any hint of real economics to keep it afloat. Oil and gas prices are so low it’s selling product at cost. Buying up debt and creating future borrowing that will never be repaid is the reality. Even at that it appears soldiers are not getting paid in a consistent way. A Collapse in FDI and a brain drain exodus are all factors ticking away. It’s just remains to be seen the extent of the sting of the dying wasp unfolds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Strategically the US have been massive victors in this war. The threat of future conflicts in the region would be ok to the US. Russia and Europe being at peace, thriving with increasing economic links would be a far bigger threat to the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,732 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    They are going to beholden to China just to stay afloat. I can actually see a situation developing whereby Putin is viewed in a worst light than Gorbachev by many Russians . The man who humiliated his country on the world stage and reduced it to an economic basket case in pursuit of deluded grand imperial ambitions to right the wrongs of the break up of the USSR. Sorry Francie I can't give you an exact date for all this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭Rawr


    That question was designed to seed doubt, little more than that. So are the almost exclusively negative reports of Ukraine’s progress, as was the rushing on here to report the first destroyed Leopard tanks damn near like a kid on Christmas morning.

    Some of it could be characterised as trying to offer a balanced view on the conflict, but that veneer is quickly washed off when the reports nearly exclusively focus on the many ways Ukraine have failed, thus suggesting (without even saying it) that Ukraine should give up. Either by design or by influence, the intention is to seed doubt for supporters of Ukraine.

    The trick is, in trying to offer a “balanced” view, some posters might neglect to realise that this is a conflict with one clear aggressor: Russia. The collective will of nearly the entire civilised world is for Ukraine to prevail, and for Russia to be defeated. We are well aware, and have discussed in detail the difficulties that the AFU will face in this conflict, but the bulk of us clearly wish for and support a Ukrainian victory in this war.

    This is this mindset that the Russias want to take from us, and posts like that are designed to do that.



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