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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Horrible losses, but still they are advancing in places


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,292 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    looks like the Ukrainian fencer is going to the olympics after all..

    https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/1685044843490258944?s=20



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    And fencing federation cancelled the disqualification, cos by the rules, she had a right not to shake hands due to covid, LOL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭vixdname


    Very easy preach from the pseudo moral high ground when none of your kids \ loved ones have been gang raped, tortured, killed or all three by russian soldiers in front of you, or when your local town, county and country hasnt been bombed into oblivion by same - please forgive me if I hold no qualms regarding the slaughter of those guilty of the above atrocities, you reap what you sow

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,988 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Hard Day of losses for Ukraine is right. Seen quite a few captured and dead or badly injured Ukrainians too.

    Russia may have been shite at invading but they're pretty good at defending. Ukraine will have to take big losses to push them from the south.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



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  • Moderators Posts: 5,617 ✭✭✭Azza


    In fairness the Ukrainan's themselves also reported on the 100,000 troops. Col Serhi Cherevaty the Ukrainian Army spokesman acknowledged the build up. The Russian's did seem to have some success in the North. The Ukrainian's where apparently rotating in inexperienced units in that sector because it had up till recently been a quite sector of the front and that's where the Russian's made ground. Ukrainian's do seem to have contained the Russian advances for now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I remember reading some grumbling before at Ukrainian army leadership (particularly towards the final stages of Bakhmut), but never this much anger.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    Kind of puts the value of recapturing Tokmak into perspective. Before I thought it was just a stepping stone south, but on reflection taking Tokmak completely severs the rail link in that area.

    I wonder if the Soviets developed these rail lines inland to protect them from naval bombardment? If so, how ironic that this design is now working against their descendants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭IdHidden


    Just as a heads up....even if the UAF offensive does ultimately fail (and nobody says that atm except the Russians and fellow travelers to convince themselves), they have currently (including any losses in the North) taken more than double the ground the entire Russian Winter/Spring offensive took in 8 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Russia may have been shite at invading but they're pretty good at defending. Ukraine 

    Nah, once they punch through the defence will implode spectacularly.

    The vast majority of 10th Corp have been held in reserve.

    It seems certain posters are falling over themselves to report bad news for the Ukrainian's.

    It's laughably obvious.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Disasters happen, even with armies well backed trained and organised. The fields of Holland found much fertilizer from the Allies' attempts to end ww2 with Market Garden. Or indeed the Bocage of France as D Day stalled a few scant miles from the beaches. Didn't mean it was the end of the liberation of Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes, once the main Russian fortification lines are breached I think we will see rapid gains similar to what we saw in Kherson, and possible mass surrenders of Russians too, as their Morale could well will be broken by that stage. The only reason it is taking the Ukranians as long as it is to breakthrough is because the Ukranians are effectively fighting with one arm tied behind their back without air support. As we all know the Americans do it the other way around- pummel the opposition from the air then send in the ground troops to advance against a greatly weakened foe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,073 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The cynics and self-appointed realists would like to be able to say that they're the real adults in the room. Worth reiterating that in the event that Ukraine cannot push Russia out, there would be no satisfaction from being able to say, 'I told ye so', given what it would mean for the whole of Europe, geopolitically, going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,988 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    That train line is very revealing. If Ukraine can get closer enough for fire control over it that will complicate Russian logistics big time.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Your last point is why I feel the West will be in this for the long haul even if the current offensive does not achieve all its aims. There simply is no alternative. Ukraine will be fast tracked into Nato as well to send a clear message to Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,073 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If Russia were to be pushed out of Ukraine, yes I could see a fast track happening, but not while Russia currently occupies the eastern and southern fringe of the country. As things stand, you would have to introduce exceptions to A5 to make it in any way workable, but that opens a pandora's box of exceptions in other possible situations and pretty soon A5 is meaningless.

    NATO would have to quite careful not to allow internal squabbles over Ukraine's possible accession to actually weaken the alliance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes, I see the dilemma it presents if you make exceptions for Ukraine others will want the same and it could cause divisions as you say, but it maybe worth the risk if there is a negotiated end to this conflict, because in that scenario Putin will spin it as a victory to his own people and it may embolden him to try again or even a successor to him. We have this idea that if Putin leaves the scene what comes after will be more palatable to the west. When the opposite could be the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭riddles


    If they have 36% alcoholics in the population that would fit life expectancy is 56 for males down from 62 in the 80s I believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭rogber


    Equipment and men. There was a Ukrainian army guy quoted on BBC the other day saying "we're losing five men for every hundred metres we gain" in some territory.

    Yeah, it's probably necessary, but it's so sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,929 ✭✭✭zv2


    Turkey could give a huge advantage to Ukraine if they supplied them with artillery + ammunition.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett



    When is the implosion coming?

    What's your time line?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Rapid gains, mass surrenders.

    When do you anticipate these?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    They have done so (supplied ammuntion/shells) I believe (at least according to claims in I read in media at start of the year - below).

    I think they sell Ukraine this kind of stuff (similar to sales of the Bayraktar drones) but don't shout about it and certainly don't donate anything.

    At least Turkish cosying up to Putin + shafting of the rest of NATO did not go so far that they bow to Russia's will in that regard and refuse to sell Ukraine weapons. Have to be grateful for small mercies and all that...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭vixdname


    Theres a nightly show on Tiktok, Youtube and some other platforms hosted by a guy called John Aravosis, called the Aravosis Report - See links below.

    It starts at 23:00 Monday to Friday and for paid members theres a Saturday show where he has on some guests, usually including a Ukrainian military guy called "Vlad".

    Vlad was giving his update today and he said that Ukrainian forces had pretty much broken through the mine fields in and around Zaphorisha this week and were currently concentrating their efforts on hammering the russian trenches, both manned trenches and anti tank trenches but was confident the Ukrainian military would get through the trench lines thus enabling a large scale influx of Ukrainian soldiers to cause major problems.

    He said interestingly enough that the russians in some parts had laid too many mines too close to each other and by dropping bombs from drones and some cluster munitions, hitting a mine was setting of large amounts of other nearby mines and had effectively enabled the Ukrainians break open a clear path to drive their equipment through.

    He also said that the British Challenger 2 tanks were supplied with a kit that basically makes it into a bulldozing tank and they are clearing the dragons teeth with those.

    Hopefully this information is accurate and we'll see some major inroads towards Crimea etc shortly.

    The Aravosis Report (@aravosis) | TikTok

    John Aravosis - Wikipedia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,778 ✭✭✭storker




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,988 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Before we worry about reaching Crimea let's worry about Tokmak first. As far as I'm concerned they'll have to make a breakthrough in August otherwise Russia will be able to hold the lines until next summer.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ramasun


    A war of independence has no defined schedule or time limit.

    Irish people would know this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,988 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Imagine the cost to Russia as a nation if Ukraine keep fighting for 10 or 20 years.

    Up until now they've been largely going through stockpiles of already produced weapons. But if it goes on that long they'll have to rebuild those weapons and ammo over and over again. The cost of logistics alone their debt would be insane.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    That's not going to happen, same as Ukraine will not be in the EU in 20 years time either .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    It has to happen. The risk otherwise is Russia trying again if there is a negotiated settlement. Putin will see that as a sign of weakness and probably renege on any deal.



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