Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

The issue of this thread is what exactly: penis panic. Discuss? /shrug

It's certainly not a passion for womens sport.

Can you point us to the threads where you are advocating for anything in women's sports, please? Or indeed can you point us to the threads that show you have any interest in sports at all? I would so disappointed to think that you might be posting hypocritically, so please take this opportunity to show that I'm making a false assumption,

No not end of discussion, where do "private spaces" come into the conversation then, if not for the sake of penis panic? Sports aren't a private affair, certainly not competitive and league sports.

Generalizations are immaterial in this regard when Equal Protection is at stake. A castrated male swims slower than a whole male? Pithy clap, the penis is not the material part of this topic, except it is because people are freaking out about it.

Are you just determined to prove how lttle you know about sports or science.

A male swimmer who was castrated before puberty will swim slower than he would otherwise have. Do you know that teststerone is a PED, Do you understand what that means, and how being castrated might have an impact on natural teststerone levels.

Godalmight, remedial level sports science is needed to be slowly explianed so often in this thread its unreal.

You think the performance enhancer for a male swimmer is the penis? Is this taking the mick?

You'll have to forgive me, but nothing you say is clear.

Did I say anything about "private spaces" here, you could take the time to search and check.

What the hell are you talking about here?

You are asking me to clarify something that I never brought up, and try to rope me into that somehow. Poor effort.

It's been raised here, but it has nothing to do with biological men competing against females. But you knew that already...

You have acknowledged in the past in this thread that you know nothing about sports. Should I have believed you when you said that or not? Were you telling the truth when you acknowledged that? Was that a self-inflected ad-hominem against yourself?

Jesus, we really do have to do remedial-level sports science here, don't we? See if you can follow along these steps...

(1) A PED is a Performance Enhancing Drug.

(2) PEDs, as the name pretty clearly and explicitly spells out, Enhance the performance of an athlete who takes PEDs.

(3) A PED for a speed sport will enable an athlete to compete more quickly than if they didn't take the PED.

(4) Swimming is a speed sport. Athletes are ranked on how quickly they can swim a given distance.

(5) Some of the more prominent PEDs can also occur naturally in the human body

(6) Testosterone is one of those naturally occurring PEDs

(7) Testosterone is mainly produced by the gonads. In the case of the male sex, these are the testes

(8) if you remove the testes then the amount of naturally occurring testosterone in someone of the male sex will be significantly reduced.

(9) This reduction in a naturally occurring PED will cause the level of performance that an athlete can achieve to be reduced compared to the level of performance they could have achieved with that PED, all other factors being equal (again, there is a big clue in the name PED).

(10) putting all that remedial level biology and sports science together should lead you to understand that if you castrate a male then their sports performance level in any sport where testosterone is performance enhancing (of which swimming is most definitely one) will be worse than if they were not castrated, all other factors being equal.

Please let me know if you are having difficulty with any of that and I'll try to simplify it even further. It won't be easy simplifying this remedial-level stuff, but I'll give it a try if you need it.

Thanks, something along those lines would have been a much more valuable and receptive contribution than "Are you just determined to prove how lttle you know about sports or science."

I'm already in agreement with you on this.

I was asking about the broader question, and I'll take your answer that broader question has nothing to do with this thread thanks.

So, are you speaking only for yourself, or for anyone now?

On the contrary, anyone could see that the 'invention' is your declaration that we must not "blithely dismiss" the "legitimate anger at what has happened to women and private spaces." Those are your declaratives, on this thread, they are not manufactured out of thin air.

So are you saying it's 'ethically wrong' because of private spaces issues? What do private spaces have to do with anything here? I want to ask you because you insist it not be blithely dismissed.

I guess you're all not in agreement on this point.