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What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Actually it is good news. Will stop lads peppering the place with fertiliser.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭MANSFIELD




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,808 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    I’ve asked few different reps and Tegasc advisor about this in last few days ….they know no more than what’s in that article



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,258 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Unless cab/department start doing checkpoints at the border won't it just be coming down out of the North as "feed" lime our whatever is put on the invoice....

    Would they even have the powers to do so, our want to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,304 ✭✭✭alps


    Dept have run meetings with Merchants. This will be in place soon. Has to be in situ for Nitrates review.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭leoch


    Maybe they will put a tax on it like the vrt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Tried to price around for 18.6.12 today 500 a ton. 510 in another place. Doesn't matter when I pay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Lorne Armstrong


    Is now the time to buy urea for next spring?? Was quoted 490. I Can't see it getting any lower. Oil is slowly creeping up the past few weeks. ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,485 ✭✭✭tanko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 Lorne Armstrong


    They say that granular urea should be kept no longer than 6-9 months. I had 7 pallets of it out in the open in the yard since September last year.

    I didn't open the first bag till about end of February. No lumps or caking in any of it.

    It was my first time forwarding buying fertiliser. Last winter was mild so it could be different story if we had got snow or very hard frost.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,808 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Bought urea last august …stored outside last of it used in early June …zero waste



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Urea can bind a bit in lumps, but doesnt go to powder or paste like can and some compounds. If it does happen and tip of a bar and you're back in business



  • Posts: 214 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’m never going forward buying fertiliser until I need it regardless if it’s lower price now. Got burnt buying some end of last year, left outside and fecking crows making holes in it to top it off. i wouldn’t be able to afford buying some now for next year anyway the way farm prices are at versus input costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    One reason is hated being a sole trader, buying fert in December to keep the tax down and having big credit with the Co Op on account in February.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,709 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Normally if you are trying to solve a tax problem you should have the cash flow to pay or to pay for a large proportion up front.

    It's a mistake some beef farmers make when you have excess cash you have to mind it. With Beef you tend to have a large amount of excess cash at times and it's the ability to hold onto this is key in the business

    It amazing the amount of tanglers driving around now in new 222 and 231 LC with new IW trailers. Last year they made serious money on cows during May/June. The accountant will be giving them a copy of there accounts and there tax bill in another week or two. The KC and IW will only partially sol E the tax bill

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,864 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Most of these lads with the new cruisers are pension age or close to it and have good single farm payments. they’ll be well able for the tax bill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,808 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Anyone price 0 10 20 or 10 10 20 lately …quoted 520 for 10 10 20 and 700 for 0 10 20 (has to be a mistake )



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Paid 510 for a small bit of 10 10 20 for a reseed last week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,709 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    No there is a core of them.in there late 40's into there 50's lads that always had 10-12 year old jeeps.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭Ard_MC


    Sure what odds is it... if they can pay for it all...Good luck to them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,709 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I was making the comment in regarding the management of cashflow and the tendancy of farmers to spend spend windfall profits

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭dh1985


    Not just farmers do this. Most people are the same. Even the government are at it. Probably more enticing than paying a chunk of tax.

    Post edited by dh1985 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,709 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    On the tax first of all. The LC only solves future tax issues that may or may not exist. It will not solve tax on a windfall profit issue. Windfall profits are better dealt with as a sole trader by using stock values, if available, pension investment, forward purchases of material's fencing Diesel, fertilizer etc ( although I was against that last Autumn so not an option last year IMO then). If you had land rented or leased payment of 2023 by cheque during the last week in December 2022 would give a year to solve the issue.

    Buying any machinery only allows a 12.5% linear deduction. In the case of of the LC&Box probably a 65k investment it gives about 8K tax shield or knocks 4k off the bill andvthetbis presuming no trade in which could reduce the benefits by up to 50%

    Most business people will not make that mistake. Admittedly most are in a company format and and the 15% rate shield the tax burden.

    I am not totally accepting the Government argument either. Even the free spending noughties government when it got the Telecom Eireann sale money put it into a pension fund. The present Government intends to use windfall corporation tax to create rainy day fund.

    Back to my original point it quite simply this if you have a windfall tax issue and use funds to alleviate it you should have the cash flow to do that and not worry about a bill when sales are low

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    I think what bass was getting at thought is they’ll still have to pay majority of their tax bill. Jeeps can only be wrote off over a few years so they’ll have the tax bill and the expense of the jeep. Cash flow could become very tight then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Any lads around here with new land cruisers are lads that can afford them irrelevant of the tax bill they owe. I genuinely can’t think of anyone that has a new jeep and cattle trailer around here that I don’t think will be able to afford their tax bill and I’d be in a lot of different farmers yards.

    Maybe we’re more sensible in the midlands and it’s a Munster thing to buy new jeeps you can’t afford!

    Also the waiting list this time last year for a new Land Cruiser was 8 - 10 months so plenty of time for a lad to have figured out if he could actually afford it or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,914 ✭✭✭straight


    Some lads just love the shiny stuff. A contractor was telling me the other day that every dairy farm he goes into now, there Is a gator thrown in the shed after the good year last year. They don't even use them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭leoch


    Any of u Midlands guys have any idea of the recent 66 acres arable sold near killbeggin wat did it make and was it a farmer bought it......sorry for changing thread its just when Dunden mentioned the mid lands



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,083 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    If that's the place I'm thinking off only one part was arable and that was a block of around 19 acres across the road from the other piece. The rest was grass and probably would be standard enough ground which would be a bit lowlying in spots. Haven't heard of a price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭leoch


    Yes think that'd it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,660 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    agreed. If lads or lassies want a new jeep then they’re entitled as much as the next lad to have one. Many see a new jeep or tractor as the ‘reward’ for working hard as it’s gives them a serious level of comfort. Provided that they can pay for it, they ain’t doing no one any harm.

    neighbour beside me. Wouldn’t be stuck for Bob to put it mildly. Has an absolute hape of shite of a tractor, no jeep as uses the family car for everything. He’s 70 years old and none of the family have any interest- I’m asking him why he wouldn’t get himself a decent tractor and have a bit of comfort…….’sur doesn’t the one I have do the job fine’ q



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