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World's hottest day since records began

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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If climate change really takes hold then famine is likely the outcome for you as an Irish citizen. We are living in an interdependent world. Most of Irelands food is imported. We have already experienced significant crop failures across the world with the recent ones in Russia been responsible for significant spikes in wheat prices. There are widespread shortages of vegetables in supermarkets in Ireland due to crop failures in Spain and North Africa at this very moment because of multi-year droughts. These are all things already happening at just 1C warming.

    Previous changes in climate have been the catalyst for most of the revolutions and wars in history.

    All things to look forward to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭Jizique


    RTE doing live coverage from Athens again this morning, it is summer in Greece again this year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,113 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    What vegetables can’t be got in Irish supermarkets at the moment?

    I’ve had no problem sourcing any vegetables needed.

    I get the impression you are quite fond of drama.

    Have you thought of a career as an actor?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭dashoonage


    while johnny CEO next door drives round in two panzer tanks, has reproduced 97 times, is about to go on the 12th holiday to Florida this year and burns actual dinosaur fossils to heat his 42 bedroom house.

    As long as there is profit in it for someone you will always be able too do those things.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you haven't noticed gaps in shelves and dramatic price increases when food shopping then you must be floating on a cloud, or maybe your wife does the shopping.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭White Clover


    How much is a tonne of Barley off the combine this year and how much was it last year?

    The fear mongering and hyperbole from you is astounding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,220 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Modern society is the problem, expecting out of season fruit and veg year round.

    2 media reports I heard in the last 48hrs. An expert on BBC saying what we are witnessing is 100% caused by humans, thats quite the statement.

    And Met Eireann saying Ireland is now wetter and gets more rain fall than in the past. Don't remember them saying that last year when we were being warned of hose pipe bans and low reservoirs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    I was in Crete last week. The temp was mid 30s every day. On the news they said it was over 40c at some point. When I got home I couldnt believe how the media here were hamming it up.

    These temperatures are fine unless you are from Ireland and going out at midday with no water and lying in the direct sun to get a tan.

    Locals (and tourists with any sort of brain) can handle the temps just fine. Its just normal there for the summer. So a few days it might be hotter than usual for a few hours. That happens every few years and you just deal with it. Drink more water. Eat in the shade. Wear a hat, etc. You would think it was hell on earth the way the media here are portraying it.

    After I got home im getting calls from people asking me how it was, like i was just home from a war zone and lucky to survive. Some were even talking about cancelling their own holidays. Talk about an over reaction.

    Best advice. Bring yourself a little hand held fan for the first few days til you get used to going from 17C to the the 30s. After a few days you wont even bother with it anymore. Dont cancel your holidays because its a bit hot.

    Theres just no point watching the news anymore. Even the state broadcasters are just in it for the clicks now. There is no such thing as balanced news anymore, about anything,



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Probably a link (to the Irish Times) would be better -

    "Unseasonably cold weather in southern Spain and northern Morocco has caused problems with the supply not only of tomatoes but also peppers and cucumbers across Europe."

    Though technically all those are fruits, not vegetables, but I presume that's what you were referring to.



  • Posts: 264 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,415 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Mid 30s is significantly hotter than the normal summer temperatures in July for that island.

    30c is the typical max summer temperature for the hottest part of the year. (That's the equivalent of Ireland bring 30c instead of 25c in summer)

    But even still, Crete wasn't mentioned in any of the extreme weather alerts that were on the news bulletins that I have seen. Can you show me the 40c temperature report you saw for Crete that you're calling bullshit on?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,615 ✭✭✭OldRio


    That was from February. From what I see, the idea that we in Ireland have empty shelves is utter b0ll0x. The UK has problems but that's their own doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,113 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    I just get Tesco to deliver.

    No gaps on the virtual shelves and if there were I’d go to my overpriced greengrocer who has plenty of stock



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Here's one from the Indo in June if that suits better.

    "'We are now depending on imported produce from Spain and from other countries, but it's not coming in because they're experiencing the same problems with the weather as we are, only they're getting it worse.

    Europe in general, is running out of water to grow vegetables.'"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,113 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Yeah it’s what suits the narrative at a given time really.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The USA represent less than 5% of the surface area of the earth. We are talking about global records.

    If you want to be taken a bit more seriously please supply the source of your graphs so they can be passed for credibility.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you are lucky enough to be able to go to your overpriced grocer then you might not see a difference, but those not so rich would tell you that they can't afford such a luxury. Ireland will always be able to get "enough" food because it is a rich nation, but there are definite shortages, changes in supply chains (as supplier drop out and are replaced) and significant price hikes for basic staples. Food banks are a testament to the spiraling cost of foods.

    Since Southern Europe has pivoted from a cool dry winter to a hot dry summer many items simply will not be available by the autumn (unless of course you can source locally or price is no object). Unlike grains which are a global crop - most vegetables can only travel so far before perishing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Im there almost every summer. My sister in law lives there. mid 30s is not at all unusual. Id say if it didnt hit the 30s in the summer people would be moaning. Sorry I cant roll back the weather forecast on greek TV. Its much like the ones we get here. Big red and yellow balls with numbers in them on a map, so it doesnt really matter about the language when you are watching it. Most pharmacies have a big board outside with the current temp on it too. Also all cars have the outside temp displayed too.

    I was in Athens too for a couple of days. Getting texts from people about it being on the news. It was no hotter than its ever been when I was there before. Its all about how you deal with the heat. But its fashionable now to be shocked about the weather. Governments are afraid not to be shocked and be seen to be worried. Media are looking for clicks. Dont cancel your holidays and go and enjoy them is my advice. Just know how to act when its hot which it will be in most southern european destinations every year.



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  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is it to difficult to grasp that no one mentioned Crete/Greece for anything this year. It was pulled out of thin air to illustrate that it was not exceptional this year and no one disagreed.

    The records are been set in Spain and Italy not Greece.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Well RTE shouldn't have been reporting from Athens this morning at 7.15 then - still, as all the experts tell me, I never confuse the weather with climate change



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,415 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    These are Tony Heller graphs, so you can very safely assume that they are absolute fabrications

    Tony Heller is a fraud who routinely falsifies graphs and statistics

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,955 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    But you can change reality, all you have to do is alter the data you are reporting on.

    A researcher in Australia, Dr. Jennifer Marohasy caught the Bureau Of Meteorology adjusting the raw data from measuring stations so that a 1°C cooling trend per century, was turned into a 2.5°C warming trend.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There is a long history of attacking homoganising of climate data - and it has never been demonstrated that it is illigitimate to adjust for know biases in the data. Anthony Watts hung his hat on this one a decade ago, and when he launched his citizens investigation he had to eat humble pie when his own data confirmed the warming trend rather than data manipulation.

    A detailed analysis of Jennifer Marohasy's many "errors" (thats a generous description of her methods).

    https://h2bh.home.exetel.com.au/who-said/jennifer-marohasy/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭purplefields


    Things that I don't get.... Climate change deniers.

    All of the world's Governments agree that man-made climate change is a reality. Every country in agreement - think about that for a moment. How many issues is there unanimous agreement on?

    There is no argument about this. We may as well be arguing if Gravity exists.

    Scientists are debating how the world is warming, not if it's warming. It is linear or is the rate of change increasing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,687 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Same reason flat earthers exist, some people like to go against the man and think they have the inside scoop on giant conspiracies, says more about their mental state/health than anything, utterly no point engaging.

    Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,615 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Having read the full article it's clear he's talking about the problems of some veg earlier in the year. Then a different person mentions about our over reliance on imported veg.

    Therefore there is no shortage of vegetables in stores at the moment. To claim so is a fabrication.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,182 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it's not just that, it's the 'we can't prove it's anthropogenic so any action to address that is hasty'.

    two comments on that; by the time we have 100% proof, it'll be decades too late. and second - is a 10% chance (to pluck a figure out of the air) too low to risk the future of the planet on?

    if i asked someone to loan me €1000 of their money with a 90% chance they'd get it back, the vast majority would not take that chance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,415 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The Source is Tony Heller, a known charlatan and liar and the worst possible source for any climate or science information

    here's a good example of the kind of deception he routinely employs

    https://gregladen.com/blog/2018/08/08/how-steve-goddard-a-k-a-tony-heller-does-bad-science/

    Post edited by Akrasia on

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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