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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    IMO there's a greater chance the war will end due to political changes in Russia than a Ukrainian military victory.

    I think both are likely, and somewhat entwined. Some distinct knockabout blow on the battlefield - or a Battle of the Bulge last roll of the dice by Russia - could precipitate a lethal regime change in Russia. I can't seriously imagine there is infinite patience among the oligarchs and those best places to benefit from a sudden phobia for balconies from Putin.

    Fundamentally, speaking as a pig ignorant armchair general, it seems like Russia knows if the south falls - Tokmak et al - that's the killer blow cos the Russian logistical branch will die, Crimea opens up as a legitimate target and we're as close to endgame as one can get. Hence why Moscow has had ww1 style defence lining the whole area - they know that area is critical to their own invasion's survival. And Ukraine's probing, slow erosion of those lines might - might - ramp up if the cluster munitions can more quickly shred those trenches.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,304 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    More cracks appearing daily. Putin and co purging generals after the Prigozhin scare.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Polar101


    If there's ever going to be talks to end the war, the main point will be "what happens after Russia breaks the agreement".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    On the whole 'Western support may crumble' theme, I offer one word in rebuttal: Italy.

    If any country was going to pull back in support, it was this one when the rightist Meloni government, many of whom have longstanding pro-Russian ties, took power.

    Instead the opposite happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,530 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    With Kermit's post in mind, I remember working with a Georgian man years ago. He was a big, tough man but you should have seen his fearful expression when we spoke about Putin. "He is a bad man, I am afraid of what he could do"

    What I am getting at is it's easier for us to be dispassionate about the outcome of the war, but people who live in countries that have experienced Russian aggression are passionate about Ukraine winning, they have to be. I think Kermit is wrong anyway, Russia is going to lose this war for the reasons I have outlined in previous posts



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  • Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Biden is sitting at 40% since Friday that's pretty average certainly not abysmal. USA isn't sending pallets of cash it's sending obsolete arms that cost money to store or destroy at home. Don't pay attention to the looney right wing media in USA they spew lies and scutter until they're in power and then makes a balls of everything. Moderate republicans are fully supportive of this war by the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,770 ✭✭✭storker


    You said it would be forced out. Several times. It wasn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Rawr


    So our pro-Trump new-reg who started their Boards career “just asking questions” about Russia’s munitions capabilities, has within a few dozen posts now pivoted to fully fledged pro-Kremlin talking points.

    I had my suspicions when they turned up, but cred where it is due, this is clever. Orwell Road & Co. started off with generic bot post nonsense that were easy to spot from a mile off. So a couple of months back they evolved to hacking into dead Boards accounts to give their posts the sheen of some legitimacy, but failed when even these were clearly suspect.

    And now they’ve evolved into the final true form. Say hello to the human-operated English-literate “slow-burn” forum poster, who will put the time and effort into looking like a natural member of the board, but will eventually just pivot over to what they are here to do. They want to promote the idea of a pro-Russia Trump presidency, and of course negotiations must happen! We have to save lives!

    To this new generation of Russian puppet, who have eyes, ears & probably a mind, take a read through this forum. Reflect on why the Russian Federation is now a pariah state and why the rest of the world compare you to the Nazi State that your people once were proud of defeating. Then try to post this bile with your conscience intact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,770 ✭✭✭storker


    I hope so, and what gives me hope is that I can't remember a war that was won by an army in as much of a mess with regard to motivation, training, logisitics and unity of command as is the case with the Russians.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Every single country along the Russian border or nearby has had near uniform response to this war: immediate antagonism towards Russia, arming Ukraine and joining NATO as a sudden priority. Funny that; it's almost like countries with a very strong genetic memory of what it is to live with an aggressive Russia on your doorstep (or controlling your country with an iron grip) don't easily forget. As opposed to Ireland, a country nobody ever wanted to invade, more than a little Quisling in its anlgo-irish history, full of contrarians tutting into their smartphones about This Dreadful War.

    All of that said of course, with the noted exception of Hungary - but that was probably the one country Putin's disinformation and interference had some results, coupled with a noted illiberal political emphasis Moscow would love. No doubt that recent anti-trans bill in Russia made for celebratory headlines along Orban's media organs.

    Point is: if Poland, Czechia, Finland, Sweden, and all the Baltic states say, "hey, this is serious we gotta help Ukraine"? We gotta help Ukraine.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Hungary are also buying two nuclear reactors from Rosatom, so they'll be staying in the cheap Russian energy boat for a long time, even when the rest of Europe decided it's not a good idea. That's one of the reasons Orban wants to appease Putin.

    But it's true - all the talk of negotiations is just Russian propaganda. Russia would love a ceasefire in order to build up their troops and have another go after that. All this talk of "sparing Ukrainian lives and ending suffering" is lies - Ukraine will suffer a lot more if they are forced into "negotiations" with Russia. And everyone knows this, it's just that some people lie about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    You will find many posters on here, who are outright condemning Putin,( me being one) some are at best, "Soft", while others are outrightly and unashamedly supporting him. This last category are out and out Putin bots. But for sure for anyone who has worked and lived in Russia, there's no middle opinion. They are 100% anti Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,895 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Sometimes the "new" posters drive themselves off a cliff at 5kph and sometimes they do it at 200kph, but it inevitably turns out the same way each time. Just make sure you don't get caught up in the post deletions.

    I do wonder how long the mods/admins give them the benefit of the doubt for and if it varies between them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,032 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Is Russia still the second most powerful army in the world?

    I'm not doubting you BTW but I thought China would have more advanced military equipment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,032 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    So who foots the bill when the war eventually ends?

    Can't see Russia paying reparations so will it end up being the EU paying to rebuild Ukraine?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    good question, can't see Russia being part of the western world for a generation too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Entirely depends on how we define "powerful" because as Russia has shown sheer numbers mean nothing if the brain trust running it is incompetent artillery enthusiasts, and the army's logistics is riggedly wedded to trains. China looks imposing,but what acid test has it endured? If it invaded Taiwan would it be so cut and dry? A country that has basically set itself up ready to resist invasion its whole life (and will be backed up by American technology, that has had testing in Ukrainian fields?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I would hope that Russian assets held in the West can be confiscated and used to rebuild Ukraine.

    After all they started this by confiscating or stealing hundreds of airliners leased from the West.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I wonder what the capacity for Russian mine production is. The production of mines itself seems to be the only limiting factor in the Russians continuing to mine rear areas should they need to retreat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    More than likely the EU and IMF the Ukrainian economy was never in great conditions since independence and the Yanukovych government taken billions of dollars belonging to Ukraine when he was flown to Moscow by Putin,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,099 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I never said that. I repeat, it would not have been anyone's choice, it would be by default. This is a fact. You can deny gravity all you like.

    Euro federalists don't like reality as it gets in the way of their delusions.

    And it may still happen. We are dependent on British good faith ultimately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,967 ✭✭✭rogber


    Unless Putin is ousted and replaced by someone much better there is no chance of Russia paying to rebuild Ukraine. It'll be the US and Europe and international banks all of whom will call on favours from Ukraine for many years to come. But obviously still better than being a Russian colony.

    But even that's a long way off - the war has to end first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,770 ✭✭✭storker


    Leaving the EU can't happen "by default" - a decision has to be made to do so. Look at what was involved with getting the UK out, and they were hell-bent on it. I don't believe you analyse these things at all, I think your positions are contrarian for the sake of it, and when confronted with awkward facts, instead of revising you double down. So far you appear to have a "reverse-Cassandra effect" - whatever you predict, it's probably a good idea for someone to log on to Paddy Power and put their money on the opposite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    There's Sean Bell again with his nonsense. First he says Ukraine is winning all along the front line and then he comes out with this 'negotiated settlement' angle. He's obsessed with the 'negotiated settlement'. He should put a lid on it and try to give a bit of moral support to Ukraine. Smug bastard.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    Russian oligarch money is set aside for rebuilding and funding the war.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,895 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    There is billions in russian assets outside the country, hell, just the London real estate alone would rebuild vast swathes of the country.

    The problem is trying to legally enforce that as they're typically hidden behind multiple shell companies with murky ownership. Governments will need to legislate to reduce the legal complexities.

    russia has also shown it's more than willing to engage in delaying and obfuscation processes here (recent example being their bid to host the euro championships).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,703 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    He's an absolute fucken idiot. A budget Michael Clarke. Who's just brought on to state the obvious. Which he's fine at doing. Unfortunately when he starts giving his own opinion on the issue its patently clear how little he really understands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    He was just a pilot in his real life, now he's an 'expert'. This war has brought an unbelievable number of 'experts' out of the woodwork.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,895 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Completely off topic of course, but that's not the reality in any way at all, every action the EU has taken has proven that Ireland is in 0 danger of losing access to the EU market and, as has been shown every time, the EU will always make life harder for the UK by denying them access to various markets and systems if they don't whistle to the EU's tune.

    It's one of the reasons your theories on Ukraine are so easily dismissed as they are borne from the same EU hatred you show elsewhere.



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