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Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Yeah, the anger is just delayed here, when people, outside of those who into these kinds of things, start to realise that a bus stop is gone and in an underhand way too, then there'll be a huge backlash.

    I'm actually sympathetic to NTA and the need to remove some bus stops, but this was entirely the wrong way to go about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭brianc89


    Sympathetic? Don't be. Let this be absolutely clear, they did not carry out any consultation on this decision.

    There were 2x inbound stops on Amiens street. They decided to remove the stop at Preston Street, despite Irish Rail submitting plans for a new Dart Station entrance BEFORE the bus stop changes were announced.

    Instead, they retained the Amiens street stop closer to the Five Lamps / Seville Place. I suspect this is to connect with the future orbital bus route, however if they carried out any consulting, they would have moved the Newcommen / Canal stop closer to the Five Lamps and retained the Preston Street and North Strand (617) stops.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    I mean, on some routes, there are too many bus stops. In order to get to a better service, I would agree with removing some stops, even if that means some people (even if it affected me) would end up further away from a bus stop.

    Where I disagree with the NTA is the process for deciding which stops to remove, and how to go about it. A consultation with locals where proposals can be hammered out? Yes, definitely, even if it means that some stops remain, or it's less than ideal for everyone. A fait accompli, where people are told one thing at the start, and then have the end result swapped out? Absolutely not, it's so stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Whoever signed off on the new barrier arrangement on the outbound section just before Edges corner needs to be immediately fired. It's unbelievably dangerous for cyclists and vehicles the way it protrudes into the inside lane and creates a dangerous pinch point.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,515 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Are they compelled to have consultations tho? I know they do it to get buy in, and get better ideas onboard, but in the end of they day it's their job to best manage transport in Dublin some times that means skipping a bus stop that annoys 100 houses, to speed up journey times for the 10,000 houses further out that are serviced by those routes



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭Jayuu



    I find the green on that map extremely hard to view if I'm honest.

    So my understanding is that Stop 515 (Portland Row) has moved closer to the Five Lamps and Stop 516 (North Strand) has moved closer to the bridge but the distance between then has actually reduced from 289 to 258 meters. Stop 518 is then being removed so the next stop will then be Stop 519 at Poplar Row some 586 metres further out. That's quite an uneven split in distances.

    One wonders why they didn't consider moving Stop 516 over the bridge thus smoothing out the distances between the stops? If it had moved 150 yards further out the distances would then have been 408 and 436 metres which would seem far more practical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭brianc89


    They couldn't / didn't move the bus stop to the other side of the bridge as it's on a hill. But one thing is for sure, a more even distance between stops could easily have been achieved if they had bothered to try!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    Where the new Stop 516 has been place is also on a hill. The road rises up to Newcomen Bridge as you leave the city to cross the canal and railway and then descends on the far side. The gradient isn't that steep on either side. I don't see much difference in placing it on either side of the bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭brianc89


    On the outbound side of canal, the paths are too narrow for a bus stop, cyclelane and a path, so that could be the main reason.

    But I've cycled that route almost everyday for years. Trust me (or cycle it yourself), the outbound side from Canal towards Fairview is far steeper.

    In any case, I don't know the permitted regulations for bus stop gradients downhill or uphill, it was just an opinion.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,142 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Yeah, Alfie Byrne inward bound seems to be finishing up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    Had a good look at the cycle lane as it exists from Fairview to Amiens Street from the upper deck of a 27 last Thursday. It seems to be coming along well for the most part and looks fairly decent, although the junction at Annesley Bridge iteself seems a bit odd. There's a bit of work to be done here so it wasn't entirely apparent how the lane will operate.

    Is there an official date for when the inbound side finishes? I'd be hopeful that it might be done in time for the schools returning at the end of August when traffic volumes step up again.

    Also any know if there are plans to remove the inbound restrictions for normal traffic once that side of the road is complete?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Works have slowed down last week and we will see what happens this week. I presume the workers are having their holidays at this time of year.

    I would be surprised if they get the full section open by September inbound.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Yeah, there's parts inbound that are still a while away from being finished. Considering the amount of works still required outbound, and the length of time it's taken inbound, there's no way that this will be finished before the new year as planned.

    They're very close to being completely finished at the Alfie Bryne Junction, they've completely reopened the bus lane by removing the chicane. So far I've only seen cars trying to use the left turn lane block the bus lane once, but it is summer time, so I'd expect it to be a lot worse come autumn/winter. Really goes to show that Irish people don't know the rules of the road, so I'd expect there to be those silly plastic bollards placed along there in short order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭bikeman1


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    Talking about people who can’t drive. Look at this idiot I came across the other day on Griffith Ave! Like how do these people even have a licence.

    I’m not a fan of bollards or the cement curbs they have put in on other parts, but seeing things like this reminds you that they are necessary because of poor driving knowledge of the rules of the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,105 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,377 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    what makes you think he was cycling and what's the relevance of your question?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,105 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    The car was in the cycle lane, so was the poster just taking a picture of a car that wasn't impacting their journey? Am I not allowed to ask that question?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,377 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    it's an obnoxiously illegally parked car, you might have noticed people on this forum are not big fans of people dumping their cars where they shouldn't



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    I actually parked my car correctly in the available spaces, then spotted a lady and a man manoeuvring around the car who was parked away from the proper spaces and obstructing the bike Lane.

    There are actual parking spaces here and they couldn’t manage that. I drive around Dublin as much as I cycle. So please don’t see me as anti car to suit your narrative.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,105 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Ah right, didn't think the car was "dumped" but you learn something everyday, also crucial to take a picture and post about it online as well.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I walk Griffith Avenue daily and cycle it infrequently. I'd see a car (not always the same one) illegally parked on the cycle lane almost daily.

    BTW Another issue is Dublin Bus buses parked in the cycle lane. I don't mean dropping off and picking up passengers, I mean parked up for 30 minutes or more. Basically down by the 123 terminus, but not at the correct terminus stop spaces, instead some drivers seem to park up outside the church or schools instead blocking the cycle path!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    It took 2 seconds to take a pic and a minute to post about it. Message boards are for discussion and commentary, not sure you're in the right place if you don't like that. Nothing on here is "crucial". Griffith Ave and Fairview will still have all the traffic lanes maintained, parking and wait for it safe cycle routes for everyone. Why are you are so against bike lanes?

    All I am looking for is that people respect the bike lanes as required by law, not just some inconvenience. A car parked in a bike lane, like on Griffith Ave. is actually braking the law.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Plus the whole point of this cycle lane was supposed to create a safe cycle lane for children to cycle to school.

    I often see kids as young as 5 cycling on this cycle lane. Should a young child be forced to pull out into the main road of traffic because of an illegally parked car like this?

    And the worst thing about this, there is plenty of legal parking spaces close to this location, so there is really no excuse for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,105 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    You must point out where I said I was against bike lanes. That is rather wide of the mark, I am more against just posting a picture of a car parked in a cycle lane, with myriads of space either side, and seeing that as a larger issue than it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,451 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,377 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    are you sure you're in the right forum? this is to do with commuting and transport. illegally parked cars and motorists breaking the rules are probably the biggest factor holding back buses, bikes, and other efficient forms of transport, so people are going to post about these things often.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    [MOD] To be clear, a person is completely free to post pictures of illegal parking here on this forum. What is against the rules is for you to tell other people what they can and can't post, that is back seat modding and very much against the rules. [MOD]

    The myriads of space you mention to the right of the car is actually a legal car parking space where the car could of legally parked and not blocked anyone or endangered anyone.

    I honestly don't know how anyone could seek to justify what we see in this. You honestly think it is okay for a car to park illegally like this and thus force young children to have to cycle into traffic?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    It does impact their journey. It forces them into the road with motor traffic. If people can't park their cars in parking spaces, chances are they can't drive them properly either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    The last few posts have been a discussion about a photo taken on Griffith Avenue and again I'm asking for everyone to keep the thread on topic as this scheme/project is one of the largest/most important being built for mixed-modal transport in Dublin right now.

    One thing I've noticed is that progress really slowed down over July - I can imagine holidays would explain it, but is it common that holidays would be concentrated in July/school holidays in the industry?

    Also where the MGWR bridge over North Strand seems to have the space for proper bus stops along with the 4 lane and cycle track design. I feel this should have been done, possibly along with keeping stops near Fairview hall (even if the distance would be rather short between the two). But maybe I'm overlooking something important there.


    What is really bizaare is the removal of the bus stops nearer Buckingham Street/Connolly Station in favour of stops *even closer* to the retained stops between five lamps and Newcomen Bridge. The road profile between 5 lamps and the loop line overpass is basically the same throughout and hindering transfer journeys on public transport seems daft.



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