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Tour de France 2023 ***spoilers*** Warning in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭cunavalos


    I think you have a point here and I believe his absence from the the line up demonstrates Mullens value to the Bora sprint train. There was a lot of commentary that Sam's performance were so disappointing because he had the best leadout team in the World Tour. Mullen does a lot of the donkey work in the 3km to 1km to go part of the stage where van Poppel takes over (excluding today because it looked like van Poppel had a bad day and didnt feature at all in the lead out). If I was looking to build a world tour leadout train for next season I would be seriously looking at Mullen (and Morkov for one season at least now that it appears he is leaving lotto Soudal).

    Now it is also worth remembering that when Meeus was announced in the tour team the 8th rider was A.N Other which obviously meant it was a last minute decision to swap out Sam with Meeus. The dilemma for Bora was then whether to bring Mullen as a third member of the new sprint strain or pick an extra support member for Hindley which they had not originally planned for and ultimately chose Konrad who had just completed the Giro. A Bora sprint train of van Poppel and Meeus was a complete unknown as they rarely raced together beforehand and not bringing Mullen as the third member of the sprint train compounded that mistake.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,234 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Morkov is leaving Soudal seemingly & has a very interesting offer on the table as he said himself.

    Mullen - Morkov - Sam at Tudor maybe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭cunavalos


    Morkov-Mullen-Cavendish at Astana for #35 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,096 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I was pretty understanding of the reasons to leave Sam out but looking at these sprints I'de say he has as good a shout as anyone for 2nd behind Jasper.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    She has a thing for both lovely boys. That’s why she married me.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,176 ✭✭✭Bambaata


    My god is anyone else actually getting pains whenever Jens Voigt does a piece, the guy is abysmal! "4 sprint stages and 4 sprint wins for xxx, now that's what I call 100%" no Jens that's what everyone $$$$ing calls 100%. I actually have to turn off the TV when he speaks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,176 ✭✭✭Bambaata


    His brother is a director at UnoX isn't it? Thought I read somewhere that it's there he's likely to move to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭seaviewphotos


    I have MVD, Alaphilippe, Jakobsen and went with Welsford has my main sprinter. Time for me to forget about these leagues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,017 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    I’m ranked 251 of 30,501 total in velogames

    Wont last so thought I’d share while I can



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,918 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Stage 12, I'm going to start losing count shortly.

    tour-de-france-2023-stage-12-profile-n2-a812fc6f13.png

    A certain breakaway stage and I don't think we'll see any action in the GC group with three tough days to come after this one.

    Anybody's guess who wins it Ciccone, Guerreiro, Mohoric, Kwiatkowski, Bettiol, WVA and Magnus Cort come to mind.

    My pick though will be Tuesdays winner Pello Bilbao. This stage looks even better for him than the one on Tuesday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    I've been looking forward to this stage - the GC seems paused for now, hence a chance for some attacking and tactical racing up the road. Stage 10 was superb viewing-- but Bilbao won't be let away this time. I'm starting to wonder if both Bettiol and Magnus Cort are in the race at all, hardly a sight of them so far? Maybe Jorgensen will get away again, and surely Neilandts will have another go. I picked Nans Peters for Velogames with a view to a breakaway on this type of stage, but he wasted huge energy on a pan flat stage last week in a break to nowhere so not expecting any fireworks today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,334 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Agreed, Bilbao is too close on GC.

    I'll go for someone from FDJ, they've done nothing so far in this tour. Madouas, Kung or maybe even Pinot, but he might be marked as well. Maybe Bernal will have a dig for Ineos, give Kwiatko the day off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭Junior


    Jakobsen goes home this morning. Won't start the stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,234 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Jorgensen & Pinot my picks for today. Should be a great stage to watch hopefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Pinot will probably be saving himself for Bastille Day tomorrow and his home stage next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,787 ✭✭✭Paddigol




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Cue six months of PL shitposting about Fabio's "fragile mental state" and "poor resolve".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    @Brian?'s wife will be posting for the rest of the tour.

    I'm expecting a sharp upturn in insight and commentary.

    Paddy Power here I come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,918 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    All those between four and eleven will be watching each other. Pidcock is almost certain to go for it, so I'd expect all bar maybe Rodriguez and definitely Kuss to be looking to stay with anyone from those positions because it's likely there'll be no chase and that means anybody from that group can jump as high as fourth on GC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    According to Cyclingnews, J-Vs tactics would seem to include the Yellow Jersey turning on himself....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,920 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Ineos must be getting tetchy that they have not won anything yet.

    They will be gunning for a stage win but also rodriguez only needs 1 min 40 to make the podium so they will be having a battle with hindley from here on out for that 3rd place because it clear who 1 & 2 are just not the order of them yet.


    Gall showed well last week so maybe he comes back today.

    Plenty of points for powless to pick up early I would expect him to try and make an early break.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,787 ✭✭✭Paddigol




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,224 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Meintjes, Kung or Jorgensen please. Nothing to do with them being on my velogames team. Meintjes has been very quiet so far. Still not terrible on GC but probably far back enough to have a go if he wants. I agree with Retalivity. FDJ have wasted resources on Gaudu who is not up to it this time around unfortunately. He might stay in the top 10 but it doesn't warrant holding more than one or two riders back to protect him. Terrible decision to leave Demare out (very similar situation to Sam and Bora but at least they have 3rd on GC) so they need to get a stage win to make it look like a slightly less terrible decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,334 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Looks like the break is the GC group again!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    She can't do any worse than me, that's for sure.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,684 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    If the Tour de France was a one day classic... today is it so far



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,224 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Some good climbers in the break now which kind of means curtains for the likes of MVDP, Campenaerts etc. Even Pedersen and Teuns might struggle over these 3 climbs. It's been a hard day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,684 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    I'd be happy with MvdP (class rider), Pinot (final Tour) or Jorgensen (so close at Puy de Dome) to win the stage



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,224 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Fair play to MVDP still being there.



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