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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    To this flimsy armchair general, it seems like those wishing Ukraine not to have cluster bombs should despair that their main ask hasn't been fulfilled yet - that is, aircraft. If this is all to clear that double line of defensive trenches, then it'd be a lot less morally dubious had they been given the bombers and strike craft that could clear them just as quickly. Or at the very least, attack them without the worry about a lack of air superiority. That in 2023, any army is able to not just keep parity with an enemy, but actively push it back and without the aid of air support, is nothing short of miraculous (again, to this ignorant armchair sitter)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭Zico




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭Rawr


    It's a testiment to the quality and sheer grit of the AFU soldiers compared to their Russian foe.

    The Russians had the advantage of scale, numbers, and huge border to move around without fear of attack. Early on they also had stronger morale collectively and Ukriane was in real danger of thier capital being taken while they fought back with their own Soviet-era hand-me-downs. But the Russians failed, and they have continued to fail to this very day. They have failed in the tactical war, and they have failed in the logistical war. They tried to enflamed a culture war within Ukriane with the Russian speakers there and just galvanised everyone into a single national identity, which is possibly their greatest failure...they had reenforced the spirit of their own enemy.

    The AFU are proffesional and they are motivated. They know why they are there, and what the stakes are. This is for their home, and everyone they care about, and not about a cabal of self-agrandnising bell-ends in Moscow wanting plant little Russian flags on the the map.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,568 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I think you'll see that poster Oisín has been around a deal longer than you or you in your current guise. They've also been active on this thread over several months iirc, with the same sort of equivocation when it comes to this war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,674 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Looks at my boards.ie join date.

    Looks at your boards.ie join date.

    Okay chief.

    I have absolutely zero issue with Russian soldiers being blown to bits with cluster bombs. Therefore I don't see why I should be bemoaning them using cluster bombs. They're absolute fuckers and scum for doing so, but that's not the issue I'm bringing up at all.

    I'm talking about post war legacy issues. Russia don't give a damn if Ukraine is a desolate war torn landscape once it's all done, as long as they win. So they'll use whatever.

    Ukraine on the other hand need to think about the post war condition of their country as you know, they'll be the ones actually inhabiting it. Them potentially adding their own unexploded cluster bombs to an already war torn landscape is something which needs consideration.

    Again, no issue with death from above, blow Russians into smithereens, it's the civilians being blown to bits years down the line that's something worth thinking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,322 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,703 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    You'd hope a large amount of taurus cruise missiles but probably the leopard 1s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Strapping a roller to the front of a tank is an old idea. I saw it used a long time ago in Grozny. The tank rolled over the mine and blew it, but because the roller was on two extended arm's attached to the tractor, it was just lifted up into the air, before falling down and on to the next mine. Grand, until the Chechens decided to link two mines together, placing them the same distance apart as from the centre of the tank, to the centre of the roller. The first mine had its trigger removed, and linked to the trigger of mine Nr 2. So the tank pushed the roller over mine nr 1, ( no reaction) but when it hit mine nr2, both mines exploded simultaneously. Bye bye, tank and roller, but in any case, the roller was only good for 3 / 4 mines. Would be great if they had drones carrying equipment which could detect explosive's and could map the locations of mines. Metal detectors, which were and are still used in mine detection, can only function in mines that have metal in them, but there are mines now that can carry a 12 kg explosive charge but only use a few grams of metal. So you have one side taking a step or move, and the other countering it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    myself i think Ukraine should be given what they need,be that the cluster bombs/amuntion all the way up to jet fighters,helicopters etc...as an aside i seem to remember reading about Vietnam at the time,the US had an airplane type called either "spooky" or "puff the magic dragon" (aye the song was popular around that time) i maybe wrong as i know next to nothing about either airplanes or guns but i remember reading that it had at least 2 of the electric type gatling guns mounted in the doors,the plane would be called to an area and do a left bank,turn on the guns and pretty much the whole area was blanketed with gunfire...wondering to myself if they have any of those planes left?could be kind of handy for Ukraine...

    yo! donnie vonredactedpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu,vic orban..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



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  • Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Nah horseshit he hasn't made a noteworthy post on this thread that I can remember. You iirc incorrectly. Pretty pathetic seeing you lot trying to use post counts as leverage, really childish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I also suspect Kyiv were also told, in no uncertain terms from Biden & co., that if the bombs were deployed in Russia all this support they had been receiving might sudden evaporate in an instant. I'm sure Zelensky was canny enough to know this himself, but I'd be shocked if there weren't some off-the-record conversations between the White House and Kyiv about how and where the munitions could be used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The problem with that line of reasoning is, will Ukraine hold their admittedly war torn Country, or will Vladimir Putin have it? Because while Ukraine have no say in the condition it will be in, their very survival as a nation is at stake, and Putin has stated this. First things first, and the priority at the moment is kick the Russians out of Ukraine, using the most effective weapons available, be they Cluster bombs or "other" ? i have absolutely no compunctions about Ukraine using cluster munitions, and believe that the US manufactured ones have a very low failure rate, plus they are time fused, if they don't explode on impact, then they will decay within a certain time limit. Russian / Chinese / Korean cluster bombs, with much higher failure rate, don't have this inbuilt protection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    Seemingly Putin has met with Prigozhin.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    "I have absolutely zero issue with Russian soldiers being blown to bits with cluster bombs. Therefore I don't see why I should be bemoaning them using cluster bombs."

    They have been using them on civilians.

    "Them potentially adding their own unexploded cluster bombs to an already war torn landscape is something which needs consideration."

    What makes you think the Ukrainians haven't considered that, do you think they are stupid?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,139 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    So Turkey is looking for the EU door to be open for them before opening NATO door for Sweden. Let’s face it, there’s zero appetite for Turkey to join the EU so who knows how this will play out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Bit rich from them. At the end of the day not all the countries in the EU are members of Nato would be different if that was the case maybe something could be done there. I just hope that some Nato countries who are in NATO don't or are not allowed put pressure on non Nato countries who are in the EU to have to suck this up for the better good. NATO and the EU are different and this should be 100% the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The lie that Turkeys imminent entry into the EU, with its 80 million Muslims was strongly pushed by the pro Brexiteers in the lead up to the referendum, and had a major impact on voters. But it was lies, Turkey's civil rights and a few other issues guaranteed that Turkey back them would not be allowed entry to the EU..So what has changed now? Is it back on the agenda again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Only “back on the agenda” because the re-elected and thus re-invigorated Erdy is feeling a bit blackmailish again. Should do wonders for EU - Turkey relations going forward. As noted by a poster above, it will be interesting to see where this situation ends up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,568 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Also, he has realised, that everything Russian has turned to ****.

    So, he's back playing the auld European card again.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The problem with Big C130 spectre gunships is they are useless in areas with active air defenses and manpads they are a pretty hard to miss target when they start there gun runs in a circular orbit,

    They are mainly used for special forces air support and mostly at night.

    Won't be seeing any over the skies of Ukraine unfortunately



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭warrior00




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,542 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    You're talking about the AC130. Still in use today. Some pretty spectacular videos on YouTube of them in action in Afghanistan and Iraq. Also makes an appearance early on in the first Transformers film 😁

    Not sure how effective they'd be in Ukraine due to Russian AA and the fact Ukraine doesn't have air superiority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,894 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It's worth thinking about, but overridden by the civilians being blown to bits today.

    a) There are large amounts of cluster munitions available to be used up that would have been destroyed otherwise solving the supply gap.

    b) Removing the russians in Ukraine using cluster munitions as fast as possible will likely lead to less unexploded munitions being around in the future rather than more due to the russians heavy use of cluster munitions (and mines).

    "thinking about" it is as useful as pearl clutching and becomes a non-statement when the answer (above) is already known.

    Personally, I'd be looking at a large number of B-52 dropped Fuel-Air bombs (or similar) being used to clear the russian lines away as fast as possible, but that's very unlikely to occur.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭strathspey


    Pathetic, your existence doesn't even deserve to be acknowledged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,568 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,767 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    So just a video of a russian tank and aircraft firing rounds, some drone footage and lots of claims by the Russian ministry of defence of all the thousands of troops they killed. also yet another video of the same vehicles destroyed from weeks ago.

    You should send that to Tucker Carlson or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,961 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay



    The video is from The Hindustan Times which is a pro Russian propaganda rag paid for by Putin.

    Poster must have taken a pretty dark turn down internet road to get fed this bullsh1t.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The decline in both quality and number of pro-Russian trolls correlates pretty well with the latest phase of Russian mobilisation.

    It'd be funny if one of them got drafted mid-post.



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