Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Since a very long time ago, Armies have been using anti-personnel weapons in various guises. The Vietnamese were past masters at it, using just what they had to hand,,,,sharpened bamboo stake being a favourite, and they were very inventive at it too. Get stuck with a sharpened bamboo stick with its end coated in poison, and you were in for a tough time. You can go up the scale then, to using explosives, which Cluster Munitions are, but there are not the only ones. There are many similar death dealin / injury dealing devices out there. Cluster Munition is just a different name for the same thing.

I wonder about these arms limitations. If an invaded country was allowed to use Sarin gas, mustard gas, napalm etc. wars would not be so protracted and there would be less suffering and death. If Ukraine could have used these weapons this war might be over by now.

The trouble with this talk of cluster bombs and hesitation talk. Is it's giving Putin ideas now that he can now get away with having an accident at the nuclear power station and there'll be no retaliation.

This talk should never have come to the service of politicians in the west.

Shows awful weakness and cowardice that Putin will dine on and drive on.

I would say the exact opposite. It shows Putin that nothing is off the table in terms of weapons that will be used against Russia.

That would make a nice sound bite, but it's irresponsible logic. You could use the same argument to justify absolutely any type of ordinance. Russian soldiers are always going to be more dangerous to the Ukrainian people than X device, therefore they can use X device with impunity.

Lets break out the anti-personnel mines, mustard gas and napalm so.

Especially if it helps to bring the war to an end. If you even think for a minute, the sheer Nrs of munition's used these last 16 mths, by both sides, and the % of unexploded munitions, before you even get to the different types of mines, from anti-tank to anti- personal mines, its simply staggering. It will be many years, before Ukraine can be declared mine / UXO free, if ever.

Allowing Ukraine to use more cluster munitions on putins military as a balance to the repeated use of such weapons by putin's invading force in Ukraine sounds fair to me. It also raises the question in my mind that if we can clearly see putin has turned the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant into a weapon by adding explosives to it would it not be fair to give Ukraine a nuclear warhead with a long range missile that they could use to strike anywhere in russia they choose if putin decides to make use of the weapon he has created in Zaporizhzhia?

Sounds fair to me anyway but I guess it might also be termed as irresponsible logic. Much safer option is just to flood Ukraine with any weapons in stock of its supporters that could help them destroy putin's military as quickly as possible and while unexploded munitions being added to the environment there is not a good thing it is an issue they will have to clean up anyway once they eliminate putin's invaders and liberate their country.

It's one new solution. Slap ground penetrating radar on another drone to follow it up. Slap a massive metal roller to a remote controlled tank (or those giant quarry trucks) and roll the fields etc... What I'm getting at is technology has come so far and become so cheap, that there are options. Plenty of videos of farmers in Ukraine jerry-rigging their tractors to be operated remotely. The most heavily mined areas are crop fields, so there will be a priority on them being de-mined.

You're new around here you must be one of the naïve pacifists that's showed up since the cluster thing was in the news. Russia is waging total war on Ukraine who have taken every effort to act inside the modern conventions. Trying to breakdown an existential crisis into a fcuking algebra equation? stay in your lane head.

The quicker Ukraine wins this war the less people will die, (both Ukrainian and Russian) therefore a weapon that can help with that is justified.

Russia has been using these munitions since day 1 (on civilians), where is your post bemoaning their extensive use by them?

Mmmm.... Naplam, bet a few Ukrainians would love the smell of that wafting up from ex-Russian positions on the morning breeze.

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Okay chief.

I have absolutely zero issue with Russian soldiers being blown to bits with cluster bombs. Therefore I don't see why I should be bemoaning them using cluster bombs. They're absolute fuckers and scum for doing so, but that's not the issue I'm bringing up at all.

I'm talking about post war legacy issues. Russia don't give a damn if Ukraine is a desolate war torn landscape once it's all done, as long as they win. So they'll use whatever.

Ukraine on the other hand need to think about the post war condition of their country as you know, they'll be the ones actually inhabiting it. Them potentially adding their own unexploded cluster bombs to an already war torn landscape is something which needs consideration.

Again, no issue with death from above, blow Russians into smithereens, it's the civilians being blown to bits years down the line that's something worth thinking about.

You'd hope a large amount of taurus cruise missiles but probably the leopard 1s.

myself i think Ukraine should be given what they need,be that the cluster bombs/amuntion all the way up to jet fighters,helicopters etc...as an aside i seem to remember reading about Vietnam at the time,the US had an airplane type called either "spooky" or "puff the magic dragon" (aye the song was popular around that time) i maybe wrong as i know next to nothing about either airplanes or guns but i remember reading that it had at least 2 of the electric type gatling guns mounted in the doors,the plane would be called to an area and do a left bank,turn on the guns and pretty much the whole area was blanketed with gunfire...wondering to myself if they have any of those planes left?could be kind of handy for Ukraine...