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The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    Ticketmaster acting the bollix again.

    Ordered 2 tickets for Hill 16, paid for them, downloaded them and it says Nally Stand on them.

    No idea why the GAA deal with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭howiya


    I've been looking for hill tickets all morning. Keeps offering nally so I search again. No luck...

    Gives this message

    "We Couldn't Find Your First Choice

    But we found you our next best tickets."

    And then has nally tickets that you can click and buy...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,659 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It was doing that to lots of people for the Munster final including myself.

    Tickets were going so fast that you could still select City Terrace but the tickets you were offered were Clare Terrace because City was sold out.

    Essentially you clicked Hill standing which were sold out but we're offered Nally but they don't make it very clear.

    Although I don't agree with the tiny violin stuff about big bully Dublin fans I agree with the Meath poster and ticketing for the Tailteann Cup final. I kinda liked the casual atmosphere of the games and would not have been too excited about the stress of getting tickets and the hassle of 80000 people if Limerick had qualified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    Mine said Hill 16 all the way through until I downloaded the QR code and then it said Nally and entry via Jones' Road.

    Second problem is the Nally is divided into C1 and C2. With C2 you can get fairly near the goals, but I've got a C1 ticket which is in the corner. I guarantee that if I go on it tomorrow or Thursday I'll get C2 or Hill 16 tickets.

    They are known to be dishonest and that they siphon off concert tickets to their tout websites. I've no idea why they are used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,659 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If its the Dublin game you will find nothing if you go on it. It looks sold out.

    The Nally is always the last section of terrace to open so it's not some conspiracy to sell the crap ones first.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    might get tickets for kerry v derry but what is stopping me is im worried Derry will play puke football, im a neutral so im not wasting a day and good money on seeing Derry play anti football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭FullBack Jam


    You don't even need to worry will Derry play puke football. They will definitely play puke football. If it was 2 defensive seems going at it, I'd say give it a miss. But when you have an attacking team like Kerry going up against the Derry bus, it could actually be very intriguing - e.g. how are Kerry going to break them down.

    In order to win, Derry will have 15 players behind the ball for over 70% of the game and will be hoping for all of the following to happen:-

    • the Kerry outfield players cannot find the inside forward with a pass.
    • That Sean O'Shea has an offday at frees.
    • that Kerry miss most of their long range point efforts
    • That Conor Glass and Brendan Rodgers can perform miracles in midfield to try to give them some rest at the back
    • That Kerry go in a little too complacent, and don't show the same ruthlessness that they dealt to Tyrone.
    • And finally, that Derry can sneak upfield to tack on enough scores to win the match.

    A Derry win is unlikely, but you just never know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,405 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Answer is for Kerry to do what they did against Tyrone……be fohherking positive….. this tip tapping around the place is non productive… take them on …go for it .. best way to beat that system is the direct method , get your players to flood the areas if front of goal and you get dividends.

    Quick positive ball from the half back line and centre fielders to the forwards, don’t wait for the bus to park.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Long championships and round robin definitely benefits the stronger counties. The chances of a shock are much less.

    I'm not confortable with the fact that Mayo for example lost twice in the championship, yet can still knock out a provincial champion and reach a quarter final.

    You could in theory have a county lose in their province, lose twice in the round robin stage, and yet win a prelimary quarter final.

    As for training all year and then being out after one game under the old system, weaker teams are going to be knocked out sooner or later. Its almost better to have one thrashing and be done, than 3 or 4 thrashings.

    I agree with the division into Tailtean Cup and Sam Maguire, but both competitions should be knockout and only provincial winners seeded for Sam Maguire or highest league finishers for Tailtean.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,999 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I'm amazed Bookies give Derry a squeak. Think Kerry could win this by 8+ points

    EVENFLOW



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,405 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Nah mate, Galway had plenty of chances…should never have been in the position they ended up in.

    Should have beaten Armagh and then when they met Mayo in their own patch they couldn’t do it..

    On those performances they had no place in the AI semis…..and I’m a GWY supporter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    My point was a general point really, a team could lose 2 or 3 times and still make it far in the championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭rodmn2377


    i know a lad involved with leitrim and he says the players are a lot happier with the championship now(they know they wont beat the big teams in connacht but try and give a decent account of themselves) and get a chance in the tailteann cup as there getting a bit of game time against teams they feel they have a chance with and enjoy the games compaired to a hammering by Mayo or Galway and yr over...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,320 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I was obviously responding to you. as you PM'd me first. Certainly wouldn't engage first in a PM. Not my style.

    Unless someone was looking for tickets etc - which we already have established that you don't go to matches because it is a waste of time? So it couldn't have been that you were looking for tickets.

    Or have I not got the right gist? From your previous posts I have seen on GAA threads?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,320 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Exactly teams play at their level and are competitive.

    The only reason we don't have the main championship with teams of a similar level in league like system - is because the 'traditionalists' who are wedded to the antiquated Provincial System are holding the rest of the GAA back. Which is an awful pity. But gradually the GAA is moving towards that with the AI series/Tailteann Cup. GAA people have to be given time to get used to things it seems.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭pimpmyhat


    Absolutely. For years teams like Leitrim were getting one, two games max while the strong teams were getting 5 or 6 and getting stronger year on year.

    It's great to see the lesser teams getting more games in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,320 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I wouldn't go that far! But Monaghan have the potential to make things awkward if they keep things tight. However, Monaghan's major drawback is that they have a limited pool of players and don't have many fellas to come off the bench to make an impact. Conor 'Mansy' McManus is their only bench danger man.

    In the 2022 League Dublin were relegated by Monaghan up in Clones - 3-13 (22)  (21) 1-18

    The two teams from that day were -

    Monaghan: Rory Beggan; Drew Wylie, Conor Boyle (0-01), Ryan Wylie (Capt.); Conor McCarthy (0-01), Ryan McAnespie, Dessie Ward; Darren Hughes (0-01), Niall Kearns; Fintan Kelly, Kieran Hughes (0-02), Shane Carey (0-01f); Seán Jones (1-00); Gary Mohan (0-01f), Jack McCarron (2-06, 1-0 pen, 0-03f)

    Dublin: Michael Shiel; Michael Fitzsimons, David Byrne; Jonny Cooper; Eoin Murchan, James McCarthy, Robbie McDaid; Brian Fenton, Tom Lahiff; Brian Howard (0-01), Seán Bugler (0-02, 1m), Niall Scully; Cormac Costello (0-04, 1m), Ciarán Kilkenny, Dean Rock (1-09, 1-0 pen, 0-8f).

    --

    In 2019 NFL Monaghan became the first county (at that time) to get consecutive victories against Dublin since Mayo in 2012 after a league victory

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/sport/dublin-monaghan-allianz-football-league-15739535

    --

    In 2018 NFL Monaghan pip Dublin by a point in CP


    --

    In 2017 Dublin beat Monaghan in AI QF - by 10 points- Rock scoring 1-7


    In 2016 Dublin scraped by Monaghan at CP in the league


    In 2014 in the AI QF Dublin hammer Monaghan by 17 points


    --

    I don't expect Monaghan will be hammered in 2023, as they will have better team structure and discipline than Mayo. Historically Monaghan have not 'rolled over' against Dublin much.More often than not made it difficult or won.

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,320 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    You are ignoring all the craic that led to this point, Westmeath's hard luck stories. Kildare's inconsistency, Galway getting caught out on the last day, Cork's improvement, Mayo failing to top their group changing the course of the draw. Monaghan's grit and consistency. All of that drama would have been lost if the GAA returned to the old format.

    I know a lot of GAA people prefer the instant crash, bang wallop. But a slow burner can lead to more drama as there are more twists and turns. Plus you are assuming both Dublin and Kerry are going to win.

    As a Dublin fan I am delighted we are not playing Derry. Lost to them once in the league and were fortunate Glass got injured in the final of div 2. Plus Glen gave Kilmacud Crokes a great go in the AI Club (ignoring the controversy issue) - I was at that one as well and was impressed with the Derry lads.

    So Derry are a tough side with solid players, probably a notch up from Monaghan as Derry have that fantastic midfield. Derry fans would love if Kerry took them lightly and started thinking of the final.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,320 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Did you see the last says group games and changes in permutations? I can't remember a championship day as dramatic tbh.

    The covid 2020 was just an O'Byrne Cup/McGrath Cup etc No crowds etc. It was obvious the normal teams were not tuned in. My main memory of the Covid AI was a steaming Tomas O'Se after Kerry lost to Cork. So annoyed he could not talk.

    He knew full well Kerry threw it away. And as I said only for Covid that fella Keane that scored the goal would have been back in Australia with the AFL, and had to stay in Ireland.

    Then the SF's of the AI were complete write offs as the best teams did not get there.

    It is no coincidence in 2023 that we have four div 1 teams in the SF's, in 2020 we had just two. I don't even know what division Cavan or Tipp were in at the time.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭rodmn2377


    Ya i agree there was some parts of this yrs championship which was off but very rarely when ya change something like this you make it perfect straight away...id hope they would go away look at it all and try and make the changes that could improve it... i dont really know is there any format that will make everyone happy as probably the best would be a league formation but the people that want the provincial championships really dont want to lose them..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    The problem with that is there is every chance of a lot of dead rubber games at the end of the group stages.

    Happened in the Super 8s and something the GAA is not willing to repeat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭Choochtown



    Puke football for me is a match where a team is 10+ points up at half time and all ideas of a contest have gone.

    If by "puke football" you mean Derry will have an organised structured defensive system with a plan to break quickly after a turnover and an emphasis not to give away cheap ball then I wholeheartedly disagree with you.

    This is exactly as I would want Derry to play as it's probably the only way they can put it up to Kerry. If I'm watching a match as a neutral I'd like it to be competitive and the result to be in doubt for as long as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Puke football to me is the sh1te Mayo served up on Sunday, setting up kamikaze, rushing forward with zero defensive system or nous, or allowance or respect for the opponent. Puke football is hiring a manager pretty much ran out of town by your neighbours and expect different results in big Croke Park games than what he got with said neighbours 4 years before. Puke football is NOT selecting a strategy that gets the best out of your players and caused headaches for your opponent. The likes of Dublin and Kerry love it when the likes of Mayo come out all guns blazing and blow themselves out after 40 or 45 minutes, and go home beat with a patronizing pat on the head for 'playing the game the right way '.

    There are more than one way to skin a cat. There are issues sith the game certainly, but the games this year have been OK overall. The likes of Derry, Monaghan and Roscommon have brought a lot to the table, and constant whining and denigrating them is very unfair.

    If you want entertainment, go to the pictures 😁.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    15 players in your own half is puke football no matter who does it, goal keepers playing outfield is puke football, frees going back to the goalkeeper. 15 players sprinting back to their own half is puke football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,659 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    The way Kerry tore into Louth was great, would like to see this v Derry but for a neutral, you want two evenly matched teams really, Like Dublin V Kerry last year in the semi final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    in a way but Kerry, Dublin, Mayo will play nice football when in Croke park compared to the rest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,659 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya Mayo played some lovely stuff on Sunday 🤣🤣🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Mayo usually do, they actually put some nice moves together, keeper long kick out to o shea, into the corner forward and over the bar, that was a lovely score, thats the kind of football people like to see, not the slow as hell build up play most teams carry out these days, they just ran out of steam.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Was lovely stuff *pats Mayo team on the head *Sure, Kevin was happy afterwards, so there is that!

    Maybe we ought to go back to corner backs with pot bellies who kick everything that moves, and root the ball as faraway as possible on whatever direction they are facing, linesmen placing line balls (into a divot if they are biased), free kicks from the ground that result in 40 second stops in play at every break, 4 lines of 3 facing 3 like set dancing along with 4 midfielders who play between the 50s, no subs either, that's a modern addition, cigarettes at half time and a pint of milk afterwards, followed by a feed of pints for nourishment, in fact, let's bring back the Archbishop throwing in the ball at the start, that looks like horrid craic.

    I exaggerate of course, but some of the romance surrounding the old days is laughable, and very unfair. Individually, most modern players are more skillful, quicker, stronger, and certainly technically and tactically superior to their predecessors. That the administrators and rule makers haven't kept up or even ahead of the changes in the game is not then players fault - insults and cliché ridden barbs like puke football is wholely undeserved and not fair on modern players. The game isn't perfect certainly, but there are plenty of rewards if you actually watch the games and concentrate on what's unfolding between the teams. For instance, Derry castigated for 15 in their own half, but when they break they will force 15 into the opposition half at speed and it's very effective, and the sweeper/keeper is a great addition on attack, I think anyway. There are elements need changing and improving, but the negativity and whining is tiring to be honest. If it's not the game, the rules, the referees, the structure, the TV coverage, too many games/too few knockout games, paywall... You'd wonder why people bother watching it at all.

    If only following the games wasn't compulsory and there was something else to do with your time 🙄



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