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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yagan, if you mean me when you say that the people of Afghanistan want another invasion? Because its not what I think or say, its what my Afghan friends are telling me. And as for your conviction that the Taliban are the same as Afghans, no they're not. Ordinary Afghans hate the Taliban, in the same way that Ukrainians hate Russians, because of their murderous and brutal behavior. When the US kicked the Taliban out, the Taliban left behind them a trail of burnt out 4 x 4s that has been attacked not by the US, but by Afghans seeking revenge for the suffering that the Taliban had inflicted on them during their reign of terror. How about the Toyota 4x4 pick ups, with a machine gun mounted on it, and the bolt cutters for any on the spot amputations during their routine patrols? The Sports fields converted into Sharia punishment sites? Flogging, stoning, amputations etc? If the US had never invaded, I'd say that by now, Afghans would have revolted against them, and kicked them out. No yagan, they are not all the same Afghans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    An uninteresting opposing view, he has been wrong about everything to do with this war, bet he misses Tucker Carlson and Trump 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Basically saying Russia are holding back in Ukraine. That they have an army of 750,000 waiting to take on the poles and Lithuanians. This is the whole goodwill gesture hypothesis. I don’t believe a word of that utter horse manure. No army could be stupid enough to hold back and drag out a war this long as a good will gesture. Risking unrest among the army ( already happened) and unrest at home. Army’s are built on stoking fear in the enemy and projecting to the enemy that surrender is the better option. Russia are not projecting that. Not since about 2 weeks into this invasion. The only card they have is bollixing around with the nuclear plant. That is the only genuine fear the Russian army are manifesting among its enemies. And once they blow that they are finished.

    He also leans heavily on the Cuba/Ukraine analogy a completely defunct desperation tankie position. What parts of Cuba did the US level to the ground. How many nuclear weapons did the US try to station in Ukraine? How many Cuban children did the US steal from Cuba? How many countries in Eastern Europe were forced to join NATO? How were they forced? Why do Russia and their western tankies outright lie about this issue ???Should sovereign countries be allowed to join whatever military alliances they choose. Why aren’t these countries choosing to join the CTSO??

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭Rawr


    They've been close to Donetsk since 2014, where the frontline ran through the airport just north west of the city center. However, you'd wonder how the DPR forces are holding up lately? They've been used as cannon fodder for ages, and spread out across the frontline. If the AFU managed a breakthrough into or around the city, would there be much resistance left? Also, would the people of Donesk be glad to see the AFU, or would they see them (ironically) as an occupier?

    I'm kind of hoping that a decade of Russian "DPR" rule will have motivated the people there to get away from that nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    Opposing reality is not "interesting", it's just boring.

    Putin himself has stated the reasons for his invsaion, there is war because Ukrainians don't agree with him, nor want to be part of Russia, this fella gives Ukrainians no agency in the running of their own country.


    War is politics by other means, if Putins political aim was to keep NATO away from his borders, he has already lost. The NATO-Russia border has doubled since Feb 2022.

    This fella is talking through his imperialist arsehole.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    He's been wrong every step of the way in this conflict. Just like other useful idiots of the Kremlin, Ritter et al. Even if you built a GPT bot to fire out random nonsense about the progression of the war, the law of averages would suggest it would get something right in over a year, but not him. And like the others he speaks from the exact same script. The "West" and Ukrainian script changes and is not nearly so consistent, as one would expect from people with different opinions in the mix. The Kremlin one doesn't. You only have to read or hear one of their players to know the script. It actually makes it easier to find out what the Kremlin wants to put out there in the information war.

    As for this "going easy, Russia has massive reserves" stuff. I've heard this from around the time they got pushed out of Kiev. From actual Russians too(with the interesting addition of "secret bases and cities" filled with woo armies and tech. Something even the Kremlin's useful idiots steer clear of). It's a coping mechanism writ large in the face of an obvious lack of power and progress in this war and falls at the first hurdle by making no sense at all. It might have made sense in the first days and weeks when they were convinced it was going to be a cakewalk, but that ship sailed and sank with the Moskva. It's buried even deeper under the rubble of roads hastily dug up to stop a band of their own mercenaries driving towards Moscow. I didn't expect mass armour or troops on the roads to Moscow. Even if they had those reserves that would have been foolish. Better to let them come to you and hammer them at your leisure. But around Moscow itself we saw nada. Police units digging trenches and a small bunch of Chechens and that was it. Even their air power seemed to only consist of a couple of helicopters.

    So after over a year of various setbacks and loss of face, an armed mutiny heading for your capital and a war that's dragging your economy into the gutter, you still don't bring out your reserves? The only options left are those running the country are insane, or they don't have the reserves. They're not insane, ergo...

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,572 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I'd actually wonder if there is much or any DPR forces left

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Will be interesting how Ukraine and the Ukrainian military will respond if people don't want them there. Even tho it's 100% Ukraine just wonder what way they will go if population don't respond well to them there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The Deep State map still has a couple of units with names that have "DPR" in them....however, there's no way of knowing if they are made up of Donesk locals or just mobniks that got thrown into "local" units.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭Rawr


    You and I get this logic, and understand that Kyiv rule would be massive upgrade for the people in Donetsk. But after so many years of being force-fed a nonsense pro-Kremlin narritive, you might still get some resistence to being taken over by a force they may regard as a hated enemy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    I lasted about a minute listening to McGregor until he said "In 2014 we installed a puppet regime and poured billions of dollars building up the Ukranian army for the sole purpose of attacking Russia" This guy and Tucker have been banging the Russian drum since the invasion, are they on the payroll or whats their motivation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,840 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I've been wondering about this myself. Given the Russian penchant for genocide and their use of locals as conscripted canon fodder how many Ukrainian civilians are there left in Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea? Are the "local" civilians at this point mostly, or even all, Russian settlers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    When you consider that Putins excuse for invading Donbas, Donetsk, Luhansk etc was the protection of ethnic Russian's, you have to see just how many he has killed....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    When you get a very small Nr of people sucking the financial life blood out of the Country, easy to see why they are suffering from a dwindling population,, who wants to bring a child into such misery? And that's above and beyond a world wide general trend.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Payroll certainly, but not necessarily Russia's. Someone once described the English as a "nation of shopkeepers" as a sideways nod to how they became so powerful. Well in a similar vein I would describe the US as a "nation of salesmen". It's a large part of what drove and drives their success, but one negative is if you're dealing with an American in the public eye solidly espousing a position you must ask yourself; what are they selling? What they're selling is primarily themselves. They've found a niche that's lucrative. Books, TV appearances, talks, conferences, of late things like Patreon, Youtube revenue, merch etc. And they're selling to the audience that wants/needs to hear them, whether that be pro Ukraine or pro Russia. It pretty much doesn't matter so long as they have people to sell to and those tills keep ringing.

    People like MacGregor, Ritter and the like have a ready made audience of MAGA Trumpists, the religious, contrarians, conspiracy folks and it's a big audience in the US and they have the platforms to do it; Fox, Youtube, podcasts, Twitter. So that's who they sell to and where they sell it. MacGregor once plied his wares to outlets like Discovery around the Gulf Wars, but that's a dry vein now, so pivoting as a "Military expert" on Fox etc that holds the contrarian view gets him back in the public eye. Ritter blew that by coming across as a loony and the slight issue of trying to shag underage girls. That he still gets a bargain basement yellow pack audience out there tells you how "healthy" that market is and how much can be made from it.

    Views have always been weaponised, but lately they've been very much commercialised and that imho is their motivation.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Great point. Some people are just natural grifters. On some level they realise that the lane for expert opinion on the consensus view is entirely clogged. The likes of CNN and Sky News regularly have US and NATO generals or war studies academics from prestigious universities on to discuss the war. On the other hand nobody credible is willing to go on Russian propaganda outlets. That leaves a gap in the market for the likes of Ritter and McGregor to slither into. Same goes for the "journalists" that end up in places like the DPR producing English language Russian propaganda. Many of them have no background in journalism whatsoever. Their only marketable skills are that they are from Western countries and they have no morals. Graham Phillips and Patrick Lancaster are classic examples of this. Hilariously it seems that they despise each other...presumably because they're both competing for the same grift.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭Field east


    The guy is deranged or else he————————-. Take your pick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭maebee




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,840 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Interesting how the headlines are all about the journalist having her fingers brokern, head shaved and having dye thrown at her while her fellow victim, a male lawyer, is an after-thought despite having been stabbed and savagely beaten...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,286 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Is he immune to laws, anyone in wagner group that is identified, is guilty of war crimes and needs arresting, not the inconvenience of booking another hotel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Seems Russia building up forces. They don't seem like a spent force yet.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,011 ✭✭✭macraignil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Ukrainian forces are trying to attack the heights directly infront of Robotyne.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Truthfully I don't know. Seems if there positioning them there they must be using them in that sector of the front so they must be happy with the amount of forces they have else where.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    One thing about this war is that it has drawn a horde of 'experts' and nut-bags out of the woodwork and it is not always easy to tell which is which.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,473 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Lack of air support was always a massive problem for Ukraine.

    We’ll see if they can manage without it but it’s definitely not guaranteed it will succeed without.


    We know the Americans doubted whether the offensive would be successful from the leaked pentagon documents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    hard to guess,saw on euronews this morning that Ukraine seems to have several different probes going on at the moment..

    yo! donnie vonredactedpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu,vic orban..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,840 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    It's a topic for another thread but I find it interesting that despite all the headlines we see to the contrary, Western Societies value male lives (and suffering in this case) less than female ones. Like Hilary Clinton's famous illogical ascertion that "Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat." :eyeroll:



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