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Mixed race couples on tv ads **Mod Warning in Post #556**

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I often wonder in those attempts to represent diversity in Ireland, what's happened to the Chinese, you rarely see a Chinese person represented why is this.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Also, how posters who give out about this sort of issue can see what's really going on but everyone else is fooled by it. They are the only one that can see what's going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,847 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    🤣🤣🤣

    I mean the only obvious answer is:

    The woke agenda driven by privately owned multinational corporations is to make Chinese people disappear



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Jaffa3000


    Nobody said companies aren’t motivated by profits, if you’ll read what I said.



  • Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Butson


    Companies now have ESG scores / targets to hit.

    Climate policies, diversity and whatever waffle / buzzword your having yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,847 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    What are the negatives to Irish society from mixed race couples appearing in adverts.

    Give me even one example of how you viewing a mixed race couple in an advertisement will negatively impact the social fabric of this nation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,847 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    ....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It's really down to whether you expect adverts to be realistic, or just selling some kind of unachievable dream.

    Who's going to tell every Renault buyers about their kindly €200 donation to Tubridy?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The biggest non-Irish demographic living in this country is Polish. But you don't hear too many Polish accents on Irish TV either. Nor do you hear too many British people, the next biggest demographic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    M50 is just one example. Pick your local bottleneck traffic jam if you prefer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,048 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Everyone knows they're a great bunch of lads already



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    For the sake of accucery we need an Ad with a Chinese, Polish and English moden family who are in some sort of 3 way relationship, they have also adopted 3 mixed heritage children. That would nearly cover everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭cal naughton




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    One of the adopted children is of Chinese/Brizilian heritage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    I’m waiting to see an Asian guy with an black female pushing the shopping trolley



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Should we have a quota system to ensure accurate representation of people of different ethnicities in adverts and the media in general?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    That approach tends to perpetuate inequality, where people don’t apply because they don’t have the education or the confidence or the culture or whatever.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,048 ✭✭✭standardg60


    ...

    Post edited by standardg60 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,846 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus



    Actors are routinely cast for their physical conformity to the characteristics of the role involved; taking gender, ethnicity, age, etc into account in casting decisions is completely standard, and there's an express exception in the employment equality legislation to allow for this. It's absurd to suggest that the gender, age or ethnic composition of actors who are successful in auditions should correspond to that of actors at large, or of actors who audition.

    This isn't hard to grasp. Advertisers want diversity in their ads, and they have no particular reason to want a representation of different groups in proportion to their representation in society. So this may be one of the few areas where candidates from a minority background are actually advantaged. But don't worry about it; they'll suffer more than enough disadvantage in other ways.

    There's nothing sinister going on here — or, at any rate, nothing more sinister than goes on systematically in advertising. Advertising isn't remotely concerned with presenting a real image of the world; it's concerned with presenting an attractive image of the world, and associating their products with attractive societal characteristics. And, the attitudes of a few of the posters in this thread notwithstanding, more people are attracted by the idea of a happy multiracial society than are repelled by it, so advertising tends to evoke a happy multiracial society.

    It does this for the same reason that it depicts people having a good time, enjoying their lives, etc far more than it depicts people who are bored, alienated and miserable and can do nothing about it. Neither depiction is an accurate representation of reality, but if you're not bothered by an unrealistically happy representation of society then it's absurd, or worse, to be bothered by the depiction of an unrealistically diverse representation of society.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,847 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    "That argument being somewhat bigoted in itself"

    I'm going to be honest I haven't a clue what this sentence means in this context and I understand the individual meaning of all the words,


    Who was it bigoted against, how was it bigoted?

    Is it bigoted to ask why something is bigoted?


    Are you saying that shortlisting actors based on certain qualities that make them suitable for a role as defined in a script is racism?

    There are a lot more multi ethnic families than you realise in Ireland, not all non Irish ethnicities in this country are non white.

    If too many people see these uncommon family types on tv we will probably start devolving or something so wont someone please think of the human species.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭Arthur Pants
    Overlord


    Has anyone ever tried a Nogger Black ice cream?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,847 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    🤣🤣

    Its not my comment.

    The comment implies nothing about ethnicity. That is entirely your reading.

    Why don't I believe that you care about equality of opportunity for people of Chinese ethnicity in advertising.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Genuinely worried for some people that they are outraged at seeing a black person on tv

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,901 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I wonder on TV in Nigeria, are there people of Celtic origin in adverts?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    I'm not outraged in the least.

    I simply think it a blatant, stupid trend in Irish media in service to current dogmas.

    I've rewatched The Wire several times and I'm a fan of the NFL. If black people on TV upset me, I'm mistreating myself horribly.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 598 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    It’s not A black person . It’s wall to wall black persons !!

    and if it isn’t black people it’s tainted love rugby supporters .



  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭niallpatrick


    I can't grow a proper moustache, imagine my disappointment since swapping over to McCains bought from the co-op I can't even grow a handle bar moustache or find as'sless leather chaps that fit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭nachouser


    I'm grand with mixed race couples on TV, but given how few black lads there are in the country I only want to be able to see his hand onscreen. Or maybe a bit of an ear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭hayrabit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You seem confused about the difference between ‘and’ and ‘or’. Where did you get your “all three aspects” from?

    Recognising low representation of minority groups isn’t in the slightest bit bigoted. Quite the opposite, failure to recognise low representation and associated causes is bigoted.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,846 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    From the advertiser's point of view, there is no reason why the ad should give an approximate representation of the applicant pool when it can give a representation of a happy multiethnic society instead. It's precisely because there is no context or background (and often little or no dialogue) that the physical appearance of the actors becomes important; it's virtually the only about the actors thing that can be used to communicate the impression the advertiser wishes to create. And the only reason they're in the ad at all is to create the impression the advertiser wishes to create, so their appearance is not just a relevant factor in casting; it's pretty much the only relevant factor.

    What is just as distorted, if not more distorted, in the magical world of advertisingland is the age makeup of the population. About one in six of the population is aged over 65, but you rarely see them in beer ads or car ads or, indeed, ads for most consumer goods other than those specifically targeted at the elderly. Yet we don't have threads complaining about age discrimination in advertising. Why are some people preoccupied with the ethnic makeup of advertisingland, but wholly indifferent to its other demographic characteristics?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,779 ✭✭✭pappyodaniel


    Ok, 100 actors turn up for an audition, I'd wager that if I was a young black actor looking to play the young dad in a TV ad, I'd have. A 98% chance of getting the role regardless of who did the best audition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 608 ✭✭✭mockler007


    This absolutely pixxes me off, especially the sky ad, where she's clearly punching above her weight and 20 years older.

    It not realistic, its quite rare. But all these ads are coping each other. Lidl has it right, where is same race couples. It's believable.

    I've nothing against mixed race couples, but when ads make it look like the norm when it isn't. I just get annoyed at it.

    I've nothing against other races in ads either.

    I just hate virtue signalling



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users Posts: 873 ✭✭✭purifol0


    You lot seem to be absolutely clueless to why this is happening, or why all corporate media has "gone woke". The answer is DEI & ESG.

    "Diversity Equity Inclusion" & "Environmental Social Governance", is the consequence of whole heap of freshly created money "printed" by the Federal Reserve & handed to Larry Fink, CEO of the worlds biggest (multi-$Trillion) investment firm to disseminate. And since Larry has all this new money, he gets to decide who it goes to, and since he has a hard on for woke values, the more woke your company is, the more investor friendly it becomes.

    Note that while its true corporations didn't seem to go woke until after the 2008 banking crisis, ESG was being pushed at the United Nations before that in 2004 to firms like Goldman Sachs.

    The black guy, white woman couples is the "Diversity" part btw.

    There is of course more to it than that, but as I don't want to get banned I'll leave it there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    How does the bould Larry get millions to firms advertising on RTE?



  • Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭Ramasun


    A lot of ads shown in Ireland are actually made for other markets and just dubbed with Irish accents.

    And some of these ads are dubbed with regional accents which gives a false impression that everyone talks like that. Never mind the mixed race couples it's the culchiefication of the country by stealth that is truly insidious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 608 ✭✭✭mockler007


    True. But why wouldn't they, if youre selling s product, you want to sell it to the most amount of buyers. Bud light for example.

    But these type of ads, by ad making companies are only try to virtue signal, this, in itself, stops me buying their product.,

    Remember the sky ad when HD was starting to hit the market, how they made it look like our old TVs were basically terrible picture quality and the product they were selling us beforehand was terrible by their own admission?

    It's this sort of shenanigans that will make me not spend money with that company.

    Don't get me started on that laya healthcare ad with the dancing doctor. That ad literally made me go with a competitor as did those shouting Harvey Norman ads of the mid 2000s or the Gillette ad.

    It's terrible marketing, just sell your products without the virtue signalling, which is recently rife between marketing companies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 873 ✭✭✭purifol0


    Its the worlds biggest investment company Andy, they've been here awhile; this is from 2012


    And since then even 100% Irish owned companies have been wanting to go public to avail of the cheap cheap money. All it will cost them, is a bend of the knee, some new discriminatory hiring policies and a whole bunch of virtue signalling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭Ramasun


    It's also the case that many apparently unique brands are actually part of the same company, they just target different market segments.

    Taking a principled stand against anything these days require a lot of research.



  • Registered Users Posts: 873 ✭✭✭purifol0


    This is how it should be and where the phrase "get woke go broke" came from. Thing is there was so much new money created during covid, companies didn't have to worry about selling to people, they made more money via their stock price going through the roof and just selling shares.


    This is very much a problem with private central banks like the Federal Reserve and ECB and FIAT currencies in general. And while it is seems off topic, what we see in the media today (ranges from virtue signalling to gender swapping characters, to just flat out social engineering) and general inflation/high prices is directly caused by this.

    35% of all US dollars in existence have been printed in 10 months



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I did laugh when Microsoft in Poland got in trouble for photoshopping a black dude out of an ad. Their reasoning was their population was all polish .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 608 ✭✭✭mockler007


    That's interesting. Purifol.

    I'd say the Gillette ad was the most irking.

    As let's face it, Gillette is a company trying to make money. Don’t laud them or any company, including SKy, into being moral arbiters. They would have made an ad praising rugged manliness if they thought it would have led to more buzz and higher sales. Companies aren’t our friends. They're selling us a product.

    And that's why it probably annoys me. It's like actors, who swan around on their private jets and tell us how we should live, or vote, just act, and shut the fcuk up. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,054 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    How many mixed race couples is known to the average Irish person ? As in you know them, not have seen through a bus window ..

    I know one. They live nearby ….

    advertising isn’t supposed to be representative of society…. It’s suppose to appeal to as many people as possible… be ‘ inclusive ‘… ultimately woke, despite the bit of a backlash = €€€€€€€€€ still, for the moment…



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  • Registered Users Posts: 873 ✭✭✭purifol0


    Here's what a shaving ad looked like in the before times ( its 58 seconds you ADHD lot)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85HT4Om6JT4



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