Old Sky +HD boxes dying or being killed?

Update to update.

All boxes back working, Spooky action at a distance, say 22,000 miles?

Your right, remember the graffiti in the old days?

Help your local Sky, beat yourself up!

Just to wind this up.problem was an lnb one. Even though sky÷ HD box was displaying,Initialising,please wait,it was never going to do so. It displayed no sat sig,when there was one. Had to change lnb,but problem remained.

Tried an old lnb from years ago,all working fine.

This all started with BBC 1 dropping out,I notice freq changes?

Also lady had ordered sky q and then cancelled

Thanks for that,this whole thing seems to be getting unnessaryily complicated.

The story at this location ,not my house,was as follows.

BBC 1 dropped out,other channels still working.

Box disconnected from the mains,rebooted,that's when the problems started,no channels.

Box initialising,please wait,displayed,shortly after, No sat signal received,call sky,I don't think so!

Sig test meter confirmed a good sig strength was present,but no rebooting or hard backup ,or factory settings reset changed anything.

Tried several other set top box's,and changed the LNB. No change to on screen displays.

Took all set top boxes to another location where they all, worked.

Eventually brought the LNB from the other location,fitted it to the dish at the first problem location, all works! The original lnb worked for over a year,and surely wasn't a sky Q device?

Be interesting if anyone knows why the box didn't recognise the signal,measured with the meter,is the other information contained in the Broadcast signal to allow them to handshake?

Have noted change of bbc frequencys, and this lady,as I mentioned had cancelled her impending switch over to skyQ,but that wouldn't effect this other free to air non sub box? She has a similar sky+ HD box in the living room.

Did I say unnessaryily complicated.

Any thoughts welcome.Thanks.

Thanks for that but tried 4 boxes and f plug,but a good thought.I wonder if there's more in the signal to talk to the box and initialise it.ie more than just the normal broadcast signal?

Also worth pointing out that a TV licence is required,because you hold receiving equipment,even if there's nothing to receive on it.!

Most interesting .I've now replaced 2 lnbs, maybe hottest June ever,and lnbs at the focal point,beloved by spiders.

Also agreed only input 1 should be used,and older lnb best,after you manage to get it on the arm,as they changed over the years. Maybe if as I did you buy a dish with lnb, on line could cause problems ahead. I'm sure you all know both outputs require for recording with subscription. Also agreed sky Q complication..thanks.

could be problems ahead.Dish with both outputs connected I'm sure you know is for recording purposes with a subscription.

Had an experience recently where the inner conductor of a proper sky moulded fplug,had corroded, and completely come away from the female socket,but from the outside,the fplug was firmly connected,result no sig.Thanks

Sadly coming to the conclusion that as I suspected some models of Sky +HD boxes are being Killed,due to bbc freq changes,as they discontinue SD Txs.

Article in Express newspaper and saying a free upgrade will be offered To Customers, of a Sky Q box.. A list of old box manufacturers affected is included.

Maybe someone could check if this has been the reason the confusion Ive been seeing, with some boxes displaying Initialising

,please wait,then No sig. But in truth there is a signal, but frequencies not recognised by box as A signal?

Thanks

All connections checked with several stb and lnb.

There is a measured sig at the back,via sat meter,but boxs dont recognise it anymore .It won't initialise because it Thinks there's no sig,there is but not the old one before this freq change?

Sky "Installer" ,been told on boards not to call him an "Engineer".,calling tomorrow I'd say he will tell the lady to upgrade as they want all to switch to Q.signing up for another 18 months no chance!

I thought everone was an engineer these days, as discussed on another thread.

This is a confused apparent series of faults with some manufacturers box's and lnb working other showing odd faults like working fine but if rebooted, showing no sig..

May get some info from the nice Sky professor tomorr5and post results / or not!

Thanks for that,trying not to complicate the story,but she has a Sky+HD box with subscription, it stared loosing channels after sw over frequencies, its also showing a card faut can't get into My account.

She also has a second similar box with no sub,it's having the peculiar faults,it has its own relatively new dish.

Everything has been changed,boxes,lnbs, all connections and fplugs .

Clear as a bell,160 feet above sea level just clear sky.One lnb only oputed a pic if sat finder meter in series,disconnect meter connect fplug,no pic.Crazy.If someone else posted this stuff,I wouldn't believe them.Been doing this with Lenson Heath 1 meter dish before Sky arrived,and before that microwave dishes for OBs,,wave guides,feed horns etc skin effect an all.! Quantum entanglement? But I digress.Thanks.

Think your right,but who knows what is in the sky signal to the box apart from tv frequencies. Have tried software update,soft and hard reboots,and factory

resent in the engineering menu.Whilst a sub box may be directly altered by them in terms of switching the card off or on,would doubt if a fta non sub box can be affected in any way,apart from freq changes as the CNN scenario.

As your well aware a Sky+HD box may receive up to 50 extra channel's, this was the deal when it was set up agreed by the then EU.

But it's not the same as a FTA ,Freesat box,I have both.

Theses series of Sky boxes by different manufactures no longer work due to recent over the air changes.

In effect as the thread asks,are they dying,or being killed.

You decide. Thanks

Great and knowledgeable info thank you,makes sense you feed a dtt aerial into the lnb.

Have no knowledge of saorsat,but it's RTÉ's coverage for folk that don't receive dtt? Assume not poss to tune in on a sky dish as other channels? Or maybe so?

All dishes up here now working.As you point out a change of lnb and the right card,and these boxes could be free for years to come,but your average viewer will have to upgrade ?

Thanks for your input.

Yes quite,there is also a free view stb ,surprisingly maybe ,only used for RTE Gold,as they quite rightly some say,packed it in on Dab.

Not wishing to cross threads,the Skyman accepted that at this location from the standpoint of the sound setup, Sky Q was a retrograde step in that it ,like most new TV, has no analogue audio out. This would require an expesive amp and or DAC.

There is an RF,( forget that dumb dumb Bluetooth nonsense) wireless speaker with a range of about 100 feet..

Thankfully, Saorsat is available and in constant use,mostly for RTE Gold.

Freesat is not and She pays the BBC a licence fee for no terrestrial services.

Interestingly she pays Sky £10 a month for years just for HD!