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  • Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭Rawr


    One thing I don’t get; surely Prigozhin must know that Putin & Co won’t let him live put the rest of his days un-murdered. Not taking out the Putin regime pretty much guarantees that he’ll always need a 100% loyal security detail at all times while the threat of revenge still exists.

    Being in Belarus is no protection at all, and he should know that too. By not advancing on Moscow he’s given up all the leverage he had to prevent himself and the Wagners from having window-related accidents in the near future. I don’t understand how he thinks Putin will go out of character and actually respect an agreement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,346 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec



    2003 account? I don't think you're allowed to have two Boards a/cs at the same time, any anyone who does must be a fool to admit it, unless of course it isn't true. 😋



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,046 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Absolutely warped way of viewing it.

    How did it turn out to be a 'bad day' for Ukraine? What did they lose versus where they were? Nothing. Ergo it cannot be a bad day for Ukraine.

    The spin you have put on it is blatant and yours alone.

    I don't know what angle you think you're trying to sell here, but nobody is buying it.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Their views. They probably should have said something like "in my opinion...", as nobody knows what has happened here or how this will fair out. Have seen it discussed on the news plenty how this could go a way that worsens Ukraine's situation and have seen plenty say the opposite.

    but nobody is buying it.

    In your opinion, unless you have implanted yourself into all of our brains.

    Edit: Typo

    Beverly Hills, California



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,880 ✭✭✭ArtyM


    Gerard Buttler plays the head of Blackwater.

    Martin Sheen plays Biden, or Oprah Winfrey if Disney\Netflix are making it.

    Working title is Blackwatergateageddon or Pennsylvania I'm avin u



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,046 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    They didn't though did they?

    So why are don't you reply to them then? Nobody knows, right so when someone makes a statement that it was a bad day, you're said they have no basis to make that as a statement of fact. Did you 'buy' it? Evidently not.

    You appear to be disagreeing with them, saying there's no basis to declare that. Or are you? Do you even know?

    Utterly bizarre post.

    If you have suggestions as to how another poster should have posted, reply to them.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I also often have confidence that I will get tasks and plans done… then I open an early beer/packet of biscuits and inevitably nothing gets accomplished….. he will do nothing/he is on borrowed time/the mask is slipping/not a strong man (old and weak) a cornered rat, time for the shovel to come down on his head



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I take your point and putin is very good at this sorta thing, or has been in the past, at least within Russia. Where I would doubt it is in every case before Russia had her spin ready and hit the ground running before, during and after the BS kicked off. We see this with every new spin from Russia, no matter what it is. You only have to read one Russian bot/supporter and you know exactly what the others will say almost to the letter and you know what the Kremlin want them to say. They all sing from the same hymn sheet, the same script, provided by the Kremlin.

    This Wagner stuff had them reeling. Their bots, supporters and media went mostly silent and where they did pop their heads up their spin was all over the place. Total confusion. Why? Because they were improvising. They hadn't received the Official Script from the Kremlin, because the Kremlin were reeling too and hadn't written it yet. Even today the script while somewhat settled is all over the place trying to "explain" how this is still a win.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Posts: 2,752 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Still no word from “whistleblower” and “free thinker” Chay Bowes. Imagine moving to Moscow to work for Russia Today and the whole place pretty much falling apart a month later? You’d almost feel sorry for him. I’d say Paddy Cosgrave played him like an old fiddle.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭yagan


    I don't think either Pirgozhin or Putin give a crap about what the world thought of yesterdays march on Moscow, he made his point by lack of military opposition. If his mercenaries now assume positions of control in the Russian army then that is not good for Ukraine. The plan to take over Ukraine might be over, but now the goal could well be to make the Dnieper the new Russian border in order to retain Crimea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,286 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    It's scary how easy it is to take over a country that has no defense like Ireland. Wagner could roll in tomorrow, and take over in hours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    I didn't reply to them because there was no benefit in doing so. It was obvious that it was their own views built upon off the back of the news, they just could have worded it better.

    I've watched a number of news interviews now with people who share the same views as this poster, but they state it is a theory and a possibility, which is a given?

    You don't need someone to state their views as theory, it is obvious in a situation like this.

    You are saying nobody is buying what they are saying, which is claiming fact from your own opinion as well.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭IdHidden


    It doesn’t matter what the Russian plan is, they are such a failure. A laughing stock. They couldn’t even organise a mutiny properly.

    However the Pro Russian bots will be trying to spin this fiasco as in some way bad for Ukraine, by using their usual fact and reality free propaganda method, post and go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Russia had enough to defeat Wagner, even just locally in the South what it didn't have was enough or maybe any that were willing to shoot them, that's the problem for the Kremlin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭rogber


    I think they were caught off guard too. Like some posters on boards they got a bit over excited yesterday and said civil war had started in Russia.

    Today the official tone is quite different "most ridiculous mutiny ever...change will never come from within Russia".

    The whole thing was over in a flash, really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Many a civil war has started with this type of innocuous incident. But Russia is a law unto itself of course and doesn't seem to follow any established patterns - even many experienced Russia watchers were quite baffled by many of the events yesterday, including the conclusion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    I’d find other things more scary and more likely, like how unprepared our country is for even things like a bit of ice on the road.

    We’ve learned f**k all from the pandemic , would anybody be confident that we’d handle a future one any better? How prepared are we for drastic changes to the climate or raised sea levels? I mean even a solar flare could take out our entire electrical system and we’d be f**ked.

    That’s not even discussing financial collapse or some sort of cyber attack that could cripple us.

    I believe something happened in Canada a while ago , where there was severe ice for weeks that ended up destroying parts of their electric infrastructure. If you think about how fragile our own is , you’d have sleepless nights.

    Personally I believe we should have contingency plans that include education of population and actual people constantly preparing for all possibilities. In this day and age that is not a hard thing to do but the will doesn’t seem to be there.

    Im sure people will quote some panel of emergency experts that are dragged together at times but I’m talking about events that include the loss of satellite/electric benefits. What contingency’s for post communication etc?

    It’s funny cause I always think of the 10th man idea. If we had something like that as Covid was making its way to us, perhaps we would have been more prepared to handle it.

    They’d be things I’m far more concerned about then a rogue invasion. I dont trust our complacent society/government are proactive at risk mitigation, we just panic when something goes wrong and look for somebody else to blame…

    Sorry; rant over ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭Homelander


    No positives for Ukraine? That's absolutely absurd. Russia showed fractures. Putin was embarrassed and made look weak on the world stage, again. They were literally tearing up motorways on the road to Moscow.

    In what world is that a bad day for Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭rogber


    Couldn't it be a bad day for Putin and Ukraine?

    For Putin for the obvious reasons - makes him look weak and vulnerable.

    For Ukraine (and those hopeful of change in Russia) if Putin's response is to execute the war even more aggressively and an ever stricter crackdown on any internal dissent in a pathetic attempt to show "strength".

    The one doesn't exclude the other and this could all still evolve in unpredictable ways



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Some of the nonsense from the Pro Russian posters on this thread is mind boggling.

    There was literally an armed coup/mutiny in Russia yesterday and that's somehow a good thing for Putin and Russia and a bad thing for Ukraine ?

    I mean come on- If you're going to talk up Russia at least make it believable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,046 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    In the world where you have to desperately push something no matter how tenuous to drop a Russian propaganda cue... to distract from the global embarrassment Russia just went through.

    Having seen their military humiliated in Ukraine, the humiliations continue now inside Russia.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭rogber


    Compare to Assad: when some members of the inner circle and army turned against him and he looked on the verge of losing power, his solution was to fight the insurrection with even more brutality and persecute any dissent more brutally. It worked and saved his regime.

    Putin, as his biggest assistant, will have watched closely. Saying he might adopt the same approach is not me saying he isn't a brutal thug already. Simply that things can still get worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭rogber


    Your last paragraph is a total and obvious misrepresentation of the point I was making and I don't see how even you could be dumb enough to misread it that badly. In no way was I saying Putin hasn't tried hard enough. I can only guess you're furious that your crystal ball failed again so spectacularly yesterday and your prediction that Putin's overthrow was imminent and he was fleeing to Kazakhstan proved as wrong as all your other predictions and now you're just trolling and looking for something new to argue about...it would be pitiable if it wasn't so pathetic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    He may be in trouble if his targets for purging were appointees and presumed allies or those in his pocket. If all you have left are toadies and they still conspire against you, even if through inaction, you're in deep trouble.

    Putin is weakened, and it's some myopia to see it as anything other than this. An armed mutiny from a crack arm of his military, drove north across Russia without response. The entire world was caught unawares. Most of all the supposed hard man in the Kremlin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    It is interesting how many were cheering the Wagners on in Rostov. Next week they will cheer Putin, not because they want him but because they have to.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭rogber


    You're welcome to highlight any post of mine saying yesterday was a positive day for Putin. You won't find one. Just like you won't find one saying the war in Ukraine is like a civil war or that I think Putin has prosecuted the war gently.... If you're going to call me a Putinbot at least back it up with evidence rather than just deliberately distorting posts any literate person can see don't mean what you say they do.

    Maybe you weren't the Kazakhstan person yesterday but you were proclaiming civil war and mocking me when I said Putin wasn't overthrown yet and let's give it a day or two before drawing triumphant conclusions. We see who's right now and it clearly explains your bizarre aggression today that once again you got it wrong ....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    How long will prigozhin live ? putin has to kill him, he already looks like a little bitch that immediately fled moscow…. Or does prigozhin have dirt on putin ? Is there some kompromat at play ????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭rogber


    Question about the Wagner fighters: what happens to those who don't want to sign contracts to join the regular army? And all the hardened criminals? Back to prison or just take their guns and go back into "civil" society?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭farmerval


    Don't think so. I think yesterday showed that there is an alternative to Putin. The people in Roston greeted Wagner warmly. The few people near him last night were treating him like a rock star. Putin is in real trouble here.

    Yesterday was Prigozyhen proving that he has support, simply needs more for his next move. Yesterday was a disaster for Putin.



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