Russia - threadbanned users in OP

They did at least have it confirmed that Russia has next to no reserves left. Though Wagner causing more damage to Russian forces would have been ideal.

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So, its a good day for Russia then??

It's not unexpected that Russia has a soft underbelly when so much of their fighting force is committed to Ukraine. Wagner faced no resistance right up until they where within a couple of hrs driving distance from Moscow. As a nuclear power they don't fear invasion from any other country so didn't keep much back.

A military coup is the only realistic threat and Prigozhin seemingly overplayed his hand. The Chechens and Belarussians sided with Putin and, whilst the rest of the Russian army hardly showed unwavering loyalty to Putin, no other significant forces came out in support of Wagner.

Wagner could probably have stormed the Kremlin and holed up for a few weeks we'll never know. All the people that they needed to be choked off for the uprising to stick - Putin, Gerasimov and Shoigu - would have been bunkered off elsewhere plotting. Without wider support it would have been futile - although still greatly beneficial to Ukraine, as it turns out all Ukrainians will be disappointed with the outcome.

I'm afraid that Putin has come out of this rather well. Even more so when you consider he will dictate the narrative over the coming days and how all consuming the propaganda is.

It was an absolute shitshow for Russia I would have thought and that means it cant have been a "very bad day" for Ukraine as that poster stated...........the question marks were incredulous...I'm waiting with amusement for their justification for the statement.

Contrast what happened yesterday with it not happening at all....which would be better for Russia.

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Ok

Oh look another one pointing out it's a new account.

The "Putinbot" comments will be along in the next few minutes right on time.

It's pretty sad that a lot of posters on here can't handle a counter argument and are happy enough to have their little echo chamber/safe space.

I signed up to this new account willing and able to discuss matters around the conflict but i can see many of you aren't interested in discussion on a "discussion" site. I'll go back to my original account from 2003 now with my point proven from my original 1st post as to why Boards is dying a death.

So thats your argument eh? Well the day before that it hadn't happened and Russia didn't look quite as fractured and incompetent so it can only have been a good day for Ukraine as now theres even more blood in the water........to use a probably poor analogy, if this was boxing match Ukraine may not have drawn any blood but Russias trainer and backroom team are arguing amongst themselves in the corner and meanwhile it looks as if their fighter has a couple of self inflicted cracked ribs from hanging around with dodgy characters in the neighbourhood.

Yesterday can only have been a bad day for Russia not Ukraine by any sensible measure.

Likely re-reg calling blanket statements a "counter-argument" and then goes off in a pre-huff as they know what comes next :)

Literally 0 arguments or evidence.

Just:

"Mars must be feeling better today after what happened, I feel really good about Mars, look at how controversial I am, you all can't handle how good the planet Mars is."

One thing I don’t get; surely Prigozhin must know that Putin & Co won’t let him live put the rest of his days un-murdered. Not taking out the Putin regime pretty much guarantees that he’ll always need a 100% loyal security detail at all times while the threat of revenge still exists.

Being in Belarus is no protection at all, and he should know that too. By not advancing on Moscow he’s given up all the leverage he had to prevent himself and the Wagners from having window-related accidents in the near future. I don’t understand how he thinks Putin will go out of character and actually respect an agreement.

Absolutely warped way of viewing it.

How did it turn out to be a 'bad day' for Ukraine? What did they lose versus where they were? Nothing. Ergo it cannot be a bad day for Ukraine.

The spin you have put on it is blatant and yours alone.

I don't know what angle you think you're trying to sell here, but nobody is buying it.

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I also often have confidence that I will get tasks and plans done… then I open an early beer/packet of biscuits and inevitably nothing gets accomplished….. he will do nothing/he is on borrowed time/the mask is slipping/not a strong man (old and weak) a cornered rat, time for the shovel to come down on his head